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What Isn't A Threat To The Government?
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rampage
If war activist (terrorist), peace activist (lovers), economic activists (jesus) are all severe threats to the government until the threat becaumes the entity of the goverment and they are more of a competitive threat ... .. . what isn't a threat to the government?

I mean other than slaves of the government. Is their anything that is not a threat to the government?

Does the government know how to deal or understand that something could not be a threat to it?

Does the government thrive on everything in the world being a threat in one form or another?

Does the government need to be threatened that everything is a threat thus it can have freedoms it was not suppose to have against the citizens the government believes doesn't deserve the same freedoms the government should have?

Can someone help me define threat to the government? and visa versa?
rampage
I throw in a bonus question!!!


You think it is threat to the government for it citizens to even utter this topic? wavenew.gif
devine oblivion
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Does the government thrive on everything in the world being a threat in one form or another?


a lot of governments their policy is based on fear.

with the help of the media they keep the ppl frightened, so they are easily manipulated

for example the "war on terrorism", the US government claimed sadam was a danger to the whole world 'cus he had sum nukes lying under the sand in his desert, result : stupid americans fall for it and cant wait to invade iraq... though even now 1 year after the war has started, they still havent found any chemical, biological or nuclear weapons...
i am not defending sadam, he was an insane and dangerous dictator supporting terrorists, he needed to be overthrown, but he was no threat to the world... the US should have followed the UN codes and international laws, but like the americans say : "with the UN if possible, without if necessary"
another example : pearl harbour, the US knew the japs were on their way, but they let them attack so tht ppl back in the US suddenly became afraid and so tht they had a reason to take part in WWII (according to my former teacher of history)

in a way the US are just like the ancient Rome : a huge gape tht has to be filled (the need for oil), an incredible power constantly expanding, enslaving all the surrounding countries, the empire needed more slaves, more resources, they had to keep their legions busy, they had to keep it running, they had to fill the gape, so they send out their legions to conquer until there was nothing left to conquer, so tht one day the great gape was empty again, but there were no more countries to drain and the empire imploded... (according to my former teacher of latin)

i just think tht fear is a tool to control the ppl

as zack says : "fear is your only god", maybe he means wht i just said, maybe not, if you know wht he means by it, do tell me wink.gif

rampage
I'm sure I can't put words into Zacks mouth, but I think alot of people live their lives through fear. And alot of people preach fear to control people.

People get real snobby towards others people if they don't live their lives through fear. Got to be this way got to be that picky picky picky bitch bitch bitch. Lot of people obsess in it, live their entire lives by it, evaluate everything around them by it.

I kind of like it when someone is so sure they're right... and then someone else is so sure their right... but they totally disagree.

Kind of like hanging out with very quiet people for years and years and years, who would never make a commotion in public... and then hanging out with a bunch of loudmouths who's entire being is a commotion in public.. and listen to the quiet people tell you to not make a commotion and listen to the loudmouths who say you seem opressed or smushed into yourself because your quiet.

Just I don't really like to tell people all the shit I don't like about them. But I like to hear the bullshit about what they want from me like it is the end of the world or something... and they all demand something different... i like that~ having everyone around me complain about things about me but they all contradict each other!!! HAHAHA

hey I can't go pleasing everyone! I wasn't born to be a puppet on a string; but I like to laugh at them try to play my strings. I can't say it doesnt piss me off often, but ~ that's why I like for them to disagree so much with each other... I wonder what they'd think if they ever met?

BBOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
devine oblivion
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hey I can't go pleasing everyone! I wasn't born to be a puppet on a string; but I like to laugh at them try to play my strings. I can't say it doesnt piss me off often, but ~ that's why I like for them to disagree so much with each other... I wonder what they'd think if they ever met?

BBOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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i dont really understand wht tht has got to do with the subject of this thread or with my reply...
do you have a problem with you environment, friends, family ?
'cus you sound like someone who's a bit frustrated and who wanted to get rid of it on this forum, i know tht can help, i do it myself sometimes ... not tht i want to play your shrink or anything, but i cant make anything out of this...

and wht is it with the "booo" thing ? i 've seen ppl ending their threads with it on other forums too, wht does it mean ?
Shoeshiner
Pancakes, pancakes are most likely non-threatening to teh government, but other than that yeah, the government is more paranoid then most schizos. And like someone alreayd stated, fear is the main instrument of the government, keep the people afraid and you keep them under control. What's even worse is that the government doesn't even have to explain itself when dealing witha threat. Take for example Sherman Austin, the government's case against him was non-exsistent yet not a damn thing was done about it.

"Fear is your only god."
ragefist
the government fears anything or anyone that they think could possible be of a threat to them, and with that said i mean anything any everything is a threat. activist,a rebellion, a killer that knows he could kill again. as long as we have idiots running the u.s. it will always be an idiot government.thats why i think im gonna move to swedEN!
Fanatical Radical
The (US) government will fear anything that could be a threat to them; it will also make anything that might be inconvenient to it a "threat". Iraq is a perfect example of an inconvenience; they had no weapons of mass destruction, a poorly trained military and starving masses, not much of a threat. But as long as Saddam was controlling Iraq you could be sure the US was getting no oil from them.

It’s the same with peace activists, they can protest all they want and wont be a threat to the US, more or less an inconvenience. Just because they say something is a threat doesn’t mean they actually believe it is. Its all fear tactics, orchestrated perfectly to forward their goals of worldwide hegemony (not kidding, I don’t see them stopping at any point, and I think none here would argue the war in Iraq (if ever successful) will leave it an American Puppet).

When y2k came around the media pumped that out but soon after they lacked a story to show so they likely started “warning” people about common drugs and household items that could be harmful, also I believe that crime reports went up (like it did in the 92-98 period when there was no soviet union and before y2k became the big focus). Then September 11 occurred and everyone was paralysed with fear and the next terror attack became the big story. Anthrax soon followed, and so on.

So why would the US gov. want to have a country full of afraid people? Because when fearful American citizens are trained to do 2 things: follow orders and consume. Y2K sold thousands of books on “surviving Y2K” tons of guns, and who knows how many survival rations. The cold war had people building bomb shelters, the anthrax attacks had everyone buying gas masks (even though they were useless against the powder. Who can forget about the coverage of Sars? I remember it but who knew that only about 1 in twenty people died? And at the same time a much more threatening epidemic was spreading across to the west, the west Nile virus, carried by mosquito’s and very hard to control. But that story was ignored.

So when you say everything is considered a threat to them think again, very little is considered a threat, most of it is simply an inconvenience that is escalated by media for security of corrupt regimes and big business.
regilas
Sorry, but wasn't there something about not starting topics in the Hot Seat Forum?
rampage
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news to me!


should I be afraid?

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regilas
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No. Just spreadin the news.

There was a thread saying that, but I guess he deleted it now








YEA, we can start topics here again. laughing.gif
rampage
yea, i guess three pages of history ain't much for.... dinaraurs

or are you saying

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fourperspectives
the only threat to the american government is intelligence. the global drug and arms cartels that head major corporations and fill any position of real power in the US government have controlled the christian community, funded and controlled all major terror cells, and have watered down the peace movement until it became nonexistant.

they will continue to do waht they want as long as they keep their citizens in the dark about the octopus that has its tenticles in wall street, corporate america, politics, religion, the drug trade, the arms trade, oil, and any other enterprise where the goal is the accumulation of wealth and the suppression of the masses
Fred
please can we tal about another goverment apart form the usa i mean what about the other 96% of the world population

fred
EZLN libertad
fig newtons aren't a threat


personally i think the government sees all the radicals in the US as minor threats, as long as their not armed, and as long as we have enough riot police to silence them, it's all good

real threats: i think everybody in the government is starting to see that Bush is a threat to our country, there have been hundreds of articles and books that have poured out lately about how the republican party is splitting, there is the bushies, that care about gay marriage, and thats their full attention, and abortion, and other things of that nature, then theres the real republican party that cares about taxes, and other things, i mean sure they care about abortion and gay marriage, but they dont bitch about it every damn second


the only threat to a government is itself

because really, if the people hate it, and enough of them want to revise it, doesnt that say something about the government? but if theres like only 100-200 people that dont like it, it just says that that group is just probably some neo-nazi fascist group, unlike ragists, us, who have thousands all over the US, protesting, speaking out, that is not a threat, it is our right to revise what we see as wrong, what im trying to say is, if enough people gather together to reform, then it truly needs to be reformed, but if only a few are, and don't have the power to overthrow, then it really doesnt need to be reformed


but there are a lot of exceptions, especially in Africa and the Middle East, but look at Ukraine, they knew the government needed a tweak, so they spoke out, and enough of them got together to change it, so it was changed



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EZLN libertad
and i was talking in general, not just about the US


in the US i agree that a major threat the gov faces is intelligent people....or an intelligent president wink.gif
Fred
however most pepole in the usa agree with the goverment. sick as that makes me feel its true

fred
Casbah
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but there are a lot of exceptions, especially in Africa and the Middle East, but look at Ukraine, they knew the government needed a tweak, so they spoke out, and enough of them got together to change it, so it was changed


Into a pro-western government.

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unlike ragists, us, who have thousands all over the US, protesting, speaking out


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insurrection
QUOTE(Fred @ Apr 28 2005, 09:35 AM)
however most pepole in the usa agree with the goverment. sick as that makes me feel its true

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49 percent of them don't.
Bllrghtz
and 100% of 'em have to be pretty damn dedicated to the search if they want to find objective, factual information to base their opinions/positions on......

When a population is generally unaware that much of what they are told on television & in mass market media is very misleading or outright false, it is difficult to judge exactly what their true positions might be if accurately informed.........
Satyagraha
I love how the only government being questioned in this post is the United States ...

Almost all governmental establishments work out of fear, or use fear to gain support. Whether or not this fear is justified or not, that's for you to decide.
Fred
i think the left is leading it self down the garden parth if it thinks all it has to do is inform pepole and they will suddlenly change from repulicans to soclists.

First i think we have to come to our sences and exset that most pepole at the monet are in the right wing camp.

then instead of complainng we go froward and prosent new idears on a much wider broadcast an we have to get away from a class imige which has ruined trade uniusm. we have to present our selfs as the only ones displined enough and mutirey enough to change the country for the better. screaming about the "fasits goverment" only terms pepole off and gives the imgige we are looney lefties. A few well placed clever questions would go futher then all the shouting in the world. And every dusbin thowen thugh a mcdonalds window on a protest march only turns more and more pepole of voting soclist i mean we hardly look like a respocible goverment that pepole want to give the pensions to and leave in charge of a army with nuclear wepons.

maturty and displin will win the day.

fred
insurrection
QUOTE(Fred @ May 1 2005, 04:59 AM)
i think the left is leading it self down the garden parth if it thinks all it has to do is inform pepole and they will suddlenly change from repulicans to soclists.

First i think we have to come to our sences and exset that most pepole at the monet are in the right wing camp.

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I don't think that that is true...
Satyagraha
Actually, I believe with ins ... as it seems each new generation has broken traditional right wing values in it's own way, your average Joe is now becoming leftist.
Grimer 54
THere have been studies, that college students were becoming more conservative.

In the end though, I believe the majority will always reside in the center, and that militant radicalism is a threat to democracy.
Lostphoenix
so militant democracy like USA is not a threat to the peace of the world..

god you are such perfect citizen grimer.
Bllrghtz
I would be curious as to who conducted those studies grimer - not a 'let's see the data' kind of challenge.......I just mean that one can't give any credence to any study/poll etc unless one first knows whose paying for it to be done/taken, and one can review in detail it's methodology etc......

Grimer 54
I'll look for it, I saw it in this magazine I read, awhile back.

If you can, check out this magazine called 'The Week' it takes the issues of the week, and contrasts the different media sources' views on them.

The article spoke about how ultra-liberal profs were pushing students towards conservatism. It also spoke about "South-Park Conservatives" which I googled and found this article on.
Grimer 54
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so militant democracy like USA is not a threat to the peace of the world..


What, who, the bazooka was who?

I just said, that the general will will never be overly radical (in a stable region, at least.) And I believe that to be true...

I never said anything about the US not being a threat to peace... I didnt even touch that topic.
Bllrghtz
"If you can, check out this magazine called 'The Week' it takes the issues of the week, and contrasts the different media sources' views on them" - Interesting...but corporate. Not an independent voice. Note the alliance with abcnews etc......Plus, generally speaking, I don't go much for ultra-short blurb-style articles......but interesting...thx for mentioning it. Always interesting to check out different sources of info......

As for 'tech central station' ....lol.....wow - now that's right wing...... wacko.gif
The 'liberal professor' thing is just another link in a chain of misinformation being pushed by powerful neocons like lynne cheney / david horowitz and others....... pure crap......
Grimer 54
So you don't believe that there could be a youth-conservative movement, picking up steam? Hm.

I don't think liberalism holds the vast majority of young adults anymore, (as it used to seem) is all I'm saying. I'll try to scan the article at work tomorrow, if I get a chance.
Bllrghtz
I should have been more specific....

To take the closing paragraph of the article.... "Anderson's ultimate objective isn't to achieve some sort of ideological reversal, where conservatives dominate campuses in the same fashion that the left currently does. Instead, he's trying to ensure that academia "isn't a machine for left-wing political advocacy". "

That's what I referring to with my comment about the 'liberal professor' thing. As for the rest of the paragraph

"Anderson says that students "are trending to the right on issues from how to view capitalism to attitudes about abortion and many view campus PC orthodoxy with abhorrence -- which is why so many of them love South Park."

Well, who knows? The way information is molded/shaped/selectively focused on etc by the neocons/modern right/corporate media in general, is so orwellian and gross that it is hard to tell which side is up most of the time [if one only makes a casual effort at staying informed]. Is it that there are 'more' conservative students - or is it that they are being handed a megaphone by people wishing to exploit them in order to 'correct' what they see as a stronghold of the left? I don't think this article even tried to explain that, but was, obviously, just a puff piece written largely to sell a book, and advance the agenda of the book's author specifically and the website/national right generally.

I mean......the whole thing was just ridiculously biased and misleading......One of my favorite 'conclusions' in the article was "saying that Turner demanded that the documentary series deal with the Cold War "unjingoistically," adding that Turner "did not want a triumphalist approach". In other words, Turner didn't want to emphasize why it was a good thing that America had won. "

"In other words...." laughing.gif Oh, is that what it means? Really? Lol......... In the very section that that the article is pushing the idea that the media was once 'left wing and out of touch' [paraphrasing majorly here], it then takes the position that to look at one's national history in any way other than one that isn't rabidly nationalistic and self congratulatory is to essentially be 'anti-America'. Last I checked, real journalists [and their editors....which is the role I'm assuming Turner was playing here] strove to be as unbiased as possible..... apparently, according to this piece anyway, they are not just wrong to do so, but somehow a bit treasonous as well.........


At any rate, with the corporate/conservative monopoly of the national media in the US, it would only be surprising to me to learn that 'young people' weren't falling for it in ever increasing numbers......

edit: "I'll try to scan the article at work tomorrow, if I get a chance." -- that would be cool grimer, thx.... hope work/time allows......
insurrection
QUOTE(Bllrghtz @ May 3 2005, 09:24 PM)
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  "In other words...."  laughing.gif  Oh, is that what it means? Really? Lol......... In the very section that that the article is pushing the idea that the media was once 'left wing and out of touch' [paraphrasing majorly here], it then takes the position that to look at one's national history in any way other than one that isn't rabidly nationalistic and self congratulatory is to essentially be 'anti-America'. Last I checked, real journalists [and their editors....which is the role I'm assuming Turner was playing here] strove to be as unbiased as possible..... apparently, according to this piece anyway, they are not just wrong to do so, but somehow a bit treasonous as well.........
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Were the media ever liberal?
Chomsky makes some interesting juxtapositions on the topic... Russia in Afghanistan vs. American in S. Vietnam, Khmer Rouge atrocities vs. East Timorese ones are two that come to mind.
It would be logical that the media would serve the interests of power (i.e. it's owners) who are conservative...
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