 Plants And "pain" |
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 Jul 26 2003, 12:05 AM
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 Sunny Sunflower  Moderators 5,265 30-November 02 Isla del Sol 3  |
  this is sad -------------------- Reina, reina de mi vida Llena mi reino de alegria Tiene brillo en su mirada Goza de belleza consagra |
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Jul 26 2003, 12:13 AM
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Sunny Sunflower Moderators 5,265 30-November 02 Isla del Sol 3 |
ok here's what i think
i think every living thing feels pain, and that's that. the only reason why most people think of plants as almost-non-feeling-pain creatures, is coz most of us got taught that plants have no pain receptors, and have no nervous system. we also got taught that lobsters dont have pain receptors, but now we know it's not true, and that in fact they do have pain receptors and hence feel pain. plants do feel pain, so do animals, but is that it? we have to eat to survive, animals kill each other to survive, animals kill plants to survive, no matter how philosophical we get about our definitions of humans, we are physiologically ANIMALS and we need to eat things to survive, coz we cannot synthesize our food. we eat plants and we eat other animals. of course, we make choices, some choose to go vegan, some dont, it doesn't make anyone any more correct or anymore valid than another, coz in the end, we are KILLING something to EAT it. if we wanna minimize the pain we cause, then we should stop kicking trees, chasing after little ducks, and burning down forests for no particular reason, we should walk on concrete when we can, and should stop polluting earth. this is what i think.  -------------------- Reina, reina de mi vida Llena mi reino de alegria Tiene brillo en su mirada Goza de belleza consagra |
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Jul 27 2003, 05:03 PM
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 Radish Anarchist Activist 768 20-March 03 286 |
i wonder if mosquitos and flies you smash feel pain...
-------------------- revolution is impossible if the majority isn't for it. first we need to make them realize.
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Jul 27 2003, 06:09 PM
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 I what do! Eat drums! Activist 7,389 30-November 02 Nigeria 26 |
So I guess this means meat eaters are more humane than vegetarians
 since vegetarians eat their "prey" while it's still living 
-------------------- Efin ni iwa; o ma nru. \o/ |
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Jul 27 2003, 08:52 PM
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 Are you afraid of me? Activist 34 24-December 02 California 129 |
I do not believe plants feel pain. Plants lack of nerves, which are required to have physical feelings. The fact that plants react when you cut off a piece of its body does not necesarily mean it's a manifestation of the plant feeling pain; like animals: when you cut an animal, the animal bleeds; now, the blood isn't the cause of the pain, but the nerves. Its the same with the plants: when you cut a plant, you will get a segregation of its natural fluids, but that of course does not mean the organism is feeling any pain at all.
And no, meat-eaters are NOT more humane that vegetarians, and I'm not just saying this because I'm a vegetarian. Anyways... just my two cents. -Ayanami- -------------------- *~Sayonara... Daisukina Vivian kaoru kimi ga ukabu~*
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Jul 27 2003, 09:00 PM
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 Magneto, alpha(E/H)^2  ZDLRNet Admin 5,960 29-November 02 L.A., CA 1 |
So because it is alive, but does't not "feel" pain, per se, its ok to kill it? Its still alive and has a right to live, no?
A person that is in a comatose state, paraplegic, or has some nervous disease is easier to humanely kill because they feel no pain? People can shun this off, but we classify what can be killed and what shouldn't. --------------------  Classic |
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Jul 27 2003, 09:23 PM
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Are you afraid of me? Activist 34 24-December 02 California 129 |
No no no! I don't mean to say that its alright to kill plants, or that humans suffering from nervous desease feel no pain! As someone else said, animals have the need to kill in order to survive; now what sounds more humane, to kill other feeling animals, or non-feeling plants? I know it sounds cruel and evil, but that's reality. Now, killing humans with disabilities is simply horrible, and it is our task as capable human beings to take care and nurture those more unfortunate than us. Also, because a human is in cromatose state does not mean they stop feeling; they simply can't express their feelings. -Ayanami- -------------------- *~Sayonara... Daisukina Vivian kaoru kimi ga ukabu~*
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Jul 27 2003, 09:41 PM
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Magneto, alpha(E/H)^2 ZDLRNet Admin 5,960 29-November 02 L.A., CA 1 |
Exactly my point about plants. 
-------------------- Classic |
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Jul 28 2003, 12:07 AM
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Sunny Sunflower Moderators 5,265 30-November 02 Isla del Sol 3 |
our brains have nerves, but the brain itself feels no pain, so it's not nerves, but more specifically pain receptors. again, we claim that plants have no pain receptors or nerves, but it's not an absolute fact that plants don't feel pain. if that belief that they dont feel pain makes u feel better eating them, then good for u, we all need to eat. moreover, is it jsut the idea of pain? or like cosmic said, the idea of killing a living thing is it ok? my belief is, if u kill it to eat, then it's ok, coz that's what other animals do too, and even some plants. why is it any more human to kill plants to eat them than it is to kill cows to eat them? because of the common HUMAN belief that plants dont feel pain? it's a human belief, made by humans. how do u define pain? also, just because we cannot physically see plants hurting, it doesnt mean that they dont. -------------------- Reina, reina de mi vida Llena mi reino de alegria Tiene brillo en su mirada Goza de belleza consagra |
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Jul 28 2003, 01:52 PM
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 Freedom Advocate Activist 5,060 21-June 03 Vermont 483 |
What does this mean for potheads. Does the pot feel the fire???
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Jul 28 2003, 01:53 PM
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 Nun Chuka Kata Moderators 6,756 29-April 03 On top of you 412 |
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Jul 28 2003, 02:11 PM
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I what do! Eat drums! Activist 7,389 30-November 02 Nigeria 26 |
No, it's already dead then. It's dried out.
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Jul 28 2003, 02:12 PM
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Freedom Advocate Activist 5,060 21-June 03 Vermont 483 |
phew!!! 
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Jul 28 2003, 10:38 PM
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 Words are the most powerdul weapon we have these days Leftwriter 403 29-June 03 The Netherlands 498 |
I don't believe that plants feel pain how we experiance it, because the don't have any nerves.
But they must feel something. Plants are very sensitive to influences, and they can get diseaces. So they must feel pain but then in a plant kind of way and not in a human kind of way You understand. Or me make no sense??? 
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Plato Now go we in content To liberty, and not to banishment." --From As You Like It (I, iii, 139-14) William Shakespeare |
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