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Al3x
post May 2 2009, 10:58 AM
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so, by "us", you mean minorities?

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post May 2 2009, 11:04 AM
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QUOTE (Fremen Bryan @ May 2 2009, 08:21 AM) *
QUOTE (Fremen Bryan @ May 2 2009, 08:00 AM) *
QUOTE (Al3x @ May 1 2009, 09:51 PM) *
haha shit, died the next day hu?
well are you suggesting the virus started right there with Felipe Solis ??


I am not suggesting that it started right there and then, but do I think something is weird? Yes.



Watch this youtube its only 10 minutes or so http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBeKB7aKzOs

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QUOTE (Al3x @ May 2 2009, 10:58 AM) *
so, by "us", you mean minorities?



The flu is no respecter of persons..ever watched Stephen Kings "The Stand" or read it where the superflu wipes out everyone on earth with the exception of a few people in the US and they have to colonize and start a new community from scratch? Just interesting with all those dead people in the NY highway system when they're all going through the tunnel-"the end will come with a whimper, not a bang" well . .perhaps they are blowing it "all out of proportion" or something funny is going on, find it odd that Prez Obama just returned from Mexico and suddenly there's an outbreak . .
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post May 5 2009, 11:38 AM
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That guy is a total crackpot: his knowledge of genetic engineering seems to be "put all the viruses in one place and wave your hands around." Influenza is one of the most rapidly-mutating viruses known, which is part of the reason why every year there's a new influenza vaccine: if you don't treat the particular subgroup of the virus, the vaccine will have no effect. Having consulted with several doctors with intimate knowledge of the various strains of flu, including the swine flu (of which there was an outbreak in the 70s), they aren't alarmed.

Were this some sort of government conspiracy, it would have hit during the flu season before there were enough time to manufacture a vaccine for it: a late-season introduction of a new strain of the flu would drive up vaccine and antiviral drug prices. The turnaround on a vaccine manufacturing process is between 4 and 6 months, meaning that when September rolls around, there will be a treatment for this strain of the virus.

Influenza isn't a particularly dangerous virus in the modern era, all things considered. The most-heavily affected are between the ages of 24 and 45, when people's immune systems are healthy and strong. The virus kills by inspiring an overreaction in the immune system, which can lead to pneumonia or organ failure. These outcomes are largely preventable and treatable with proactive treatment, it's unlikely the mortality rate will be much more than that of a typical flu outbreak.


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Who's a crackpot? Anyway, so 33 000 people a year die of influenza. How many people died of swine flu? Under 200 and we are all supposed to freak out about it. Fear of the unknown and mass amounts of misguided hysteria, people fear what they do not understand. A whole lotta hype about nothing-I suppose being faceitious and focusing on the governmental conspiracies are a fun way to pass time, Stephen King writes stories that are fictional, but The Stand is compelling. So are all the terrorist bugs they claim to be concocting in laboratories all over the world. I suppose if it were ancient times and we were living through the bubonic plague or some other historical event it would seem a lot worse..but it would be interesting to see people just lying in the streets or in hospitals because of a bird flu outbreak or some other thing like that. .will probably happen anyway so be ready for it (thats what my socilogy professor predicts anyway)
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post May 5 2009, 12:58 PM
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I was referring to aforementioned youtube link.


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I was referring to aforementioned youtube link.


oh .. that, yeah I didn't check it out yet ..Stephen King is also a crackpot though. blink.gif
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post May 5 2009, 03:26 PM
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QUOTE (Sarielite @ May 5 2009, 11:38 AM) *
That guy is a total crackpot: his knowledge of genetic engineering seems to be "put all the viruses in one place and wave your hands around." Influenza is one of the most rapidly-mutating viruses known, which is part of the reason why every year there's a new influenza vaccine: if you don't treat the particular subgroup of the virus, the vaccine will have no effect. Having consulted with several doctors with intimate knowledge of the various strains of flu, including the swine flu (of which there was an outbreak in the 70s), they aren't alarmed.

Were this some sort of government conspiracy, it would have hit during the flu season before there were enough time to manufacture a vaccine for it: a late-season introduction of a new strain of the flu would drive up vaccine and antiviral drug prices. The turnaround on a vaccine manufacturing process is between 4 and 6 months, meaning that when September rolls around, there will be a treatment for this strain of the virus.

Influenza isn't a particularly dangerous virus in the modern era, all things considered. The most-heavily affected are between the ages of 24 and 45, when people's immune systems are healthy and strong. The virus kills by inspiring an overreaction in the immune system, which can lead to pneumonia or organ failure. These outcomes are largely preventable and treatable with proactive treatment, it's unlikely the mortality rate will be much more than that of a typical flu outbreak.


The man seems pretty knowledgable in my opinion. Remember that the Spanish flu epidemic came in waves, and that the first wave which did not kill very many people was before regular flu season, and then the second far deadlier wave came a few months later. One thing is for certain - this strain of flu did not occur naturally.


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post May 5 2009, 05:07 PM
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QUOTE (Fremen Bryan @ May 5 2009, 03:26 PM) *
QUOTE (Sarielite @ May 5 2009, 11:38 AM) *
That guy is a total crackpot: his knowledge of genetic engineering seems to be "put all the viruses in one place and wave your hands around." Influenza is one of the most rapidly-mutating viruses known, which is part of the reason why every year there's a new influenza vaccine: if you don't treat the particular subgroup of the virus, the vaccine will have no effect. Having consulted with several doctors with intimate knowledge of the various strains of flu, including the swine flu (of which there was an outbreak in the 70s), they aren't alarmed.

Were this some sort of government conspiracy, it would have hit during the flu season before there were enough time to manufacture a vaccine for it: a late-season introduction of a new strain of the flu would drive up vaccine and antiviral drug prices. The turnaround on a vaccine manufacturing process is between 4 and 6 months, meaning that when September rolls around, there will be a treatment for this strain of the virus.

Influenza isn't a particularly dangerous virus in the modern era, all things considered. The most-heavily affected are between the ages of 24 and 45, when people's immune systems are healthy and strong. The virus kills by inspiring an overreaction in the immune system, which can lead to pneumonia or organ failure. These outcomes are largely preventable and treatable with proactive treatment, it's unlikely the mortality rate will be much more than that of a typical flu outbreak.


The man seems pretty knowledgable in my opinion. Remember that the Spanish flu epidemic came in waves, and that the first wave which did not kill very many people was before regular flu season, and then the second far deadlier wave came a few months later. One thing is for certain - this strain of flu did not occur naturally.


Usually when somebody wears that type of a sweater, its because they know what they are talking about...


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post May 5 2009, 05:30 PM
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Note to self: When I need to appear knowledgable, wear a Cosby sweater.


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post May 5 2009, 08:18 PM
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QUOTE (Fremen Bryan @ May 5 2009, 06:07 PM) *
QUOTE (Fremen Bryan @ May 5 2009, 03:26 PM) *
QUOTE (Sarielite @ May 5 2009, 11:38 AM) *
That guy is a total crackpot: his knowledge of genetic engineering seems to be "put all the viruses in one place and wave your hands around." Influenza is one of the most rapidly-mutating viruses known, which is part of the reason why every year there's a new influenza vaccine: if you don't treat the particular subgroup of the virus, the vaccine will have no effect. Having consulted with several doctors with intimate knowledge of the various strains of flu, including the swine flu (of which there was an outbreak in the 70s), they aren't alarmed.

Were this some sort of government conspiracy, it would have hit during the flu season before there were enough time to manufacture a vaccine for it: a late-season introduction of a new strain of the flu would drive up vaccine and antiviral drug prices. The turnaround on a vaccine manufacturing process is between 4 and 6 months, meaning that when September rolls around, there will be a treatment for this strain of the virus.

Influenza isn't a particularly dangerous virus in the modern era, all things considered. The most-heavily affected are between the ages of 24 and 45, when people's immune systems are healthy and strong. The virus kills by inspiring an overreaction in the immune system, which can lead to pneumonia or organ failure. These outcomes are largely preventable and treatable with proactive treatment, it's unlikely the mortality rate will be much more than that of a typical flu outbreak.


The man seems pretty knowledgable in my opinion. Remember that the Spanish flu epidemic came in waves, and that the first wave which did not kill very many people was before regular flu season, and then the second far deadlier wave came a few months later. One thing is for certain - this strain of flu did not occur naturally.


Usually when somebody wears that type of a sweater, its because they know what they are talking about...

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uhhhh. . okay


All the chaos about the swine flu outbreak is dying down now, probably because it was all hyped up in the first place and really wasn't that big a deal, mass media outlets blow everything out of proportion which is why I do not trust them with truth (considering they never tell it) . .

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post May 6 2009, 04:11 PM
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Flu Pandemic Propaganda and Profit
by Kurt Nimmo Infowars May 6, 2009


Tamiflu was originally manufactured by Gilead Sciences and
licensed to Hoffman-La Roche. Dr. Evil himself, Donald
Rumsfeld, was appointed chairman of Gilead Sciences in
1997. Former Sec. of State George Schultz, CFR, Trilateral,
and Bilderberg member, is on the board of Gilead Sciences.


Residents of the United Kingdom have received a propaganda leaflet on the so-called swine flu pandemic. In addition to instructing the commoners on how to sneeze, the leaflet explains government plans for pandemics.

“While the current situation is serious, there’s good reason for us to be confident that we can deal with it.” How will the government deal with the next pandemic and the one after that? By stockpiling expensive drugs — Tamiflu and Relenza — that do nothing to prevent the flu.
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“There is no evidence that Tamiflu, the drug being stockpiled by Britain, the United States and Europe, will work if a flu pandemic takes off in humans, according to a review published today by the Lancet medical journal,” the Guardian reported in January. “While the drugs might reduce patients’ symptoms, the authors say the use of Tamiflu could actually increase the spread of the flu virus. If people take the drug and have fewer symptoms they may end up going to work and spreading the potentially lethal virus.”

“Not long ago, President Bush sought to instill panic in this country by telling us a minimum of 200,000 people will die from the avian flu pandemic, but it could be as bad as 2 million deaths in this country alone,” writes Joseph Mercola. “This hoax is then used to justify the immediate purchase of 80 million doses of Tamiflu, a worthless drug that in no way shape or form treats the avian flu, but only decreases the amount of days one is sick and can actually contribute to the virus having more lethal mutations.”

In response to this hype — or rather, the reason for the hype — the United States placed an order for 20 million doses of this worthless drug at a price of $100 per dose. It cost the taxpayers around $2 billion.

Tamiflu was originally manufactured by Gilead Sciences and licensed to Hoffman-La Roche. Dr. Evil himself, Donald Rumsfeld, was appointed chairman of Gilead Sciences in 1997. Former Sec. of State George Schultz — CFR, Trilateral, and Bilderberg member — is on the board of Gilead Sciences.

Rumsfeld and Schultz stand to make a killing — literally — on the Tamiflu ruse.

The propaganda leaflet distributed by the UK admits that Tamiflu and Relenza “are not a cure” for the flu, but that didn’t stop the British government from buying millions of doses of the “antiviral” drugs.

Britain will also buy into a vaccine after it is developed, according to the propaganda leaflet.

The last time a government attempted to mass vaccinate a population against “swine flu” it resulted in disaster. It was 1976 and after a few soldiers at Fort Dix, New Jersey, came down with the flu (one soldier died) then president Gerald Ford ordered a mass vaccination program. The motivating force behind the scheme was a $135 million windfall profit for the major drug manufacturers. It was hyped by our old friend, Dr. Evil, Donald Rumsfeld, then Sec. of Defense, who turned the issue into a political football. The mass vaccination scam was pushed along by the Disease Control Center in Atlanta, Georgia.

On April 15, 1976, Congress passed Public Law 94-266, which provided $135 million of taxpayers’ funds to pay for a national swine flu inoculation campaign, later to be dubbed the Great Swine Flu Massacre, supposedly designed to immunize “every man, woman, and child.” The vaccine cooked up by Big Pharma left some victims dead and others crippled with Guillain-Barré syndrome, but this was not a concern for the drug companies because the government had granted them indemnification, that is to say they would not be held responsible.

It is said the new vaccine will be manufactured by Baxter International, the drug company responsible for contaminating “experimental virus material” with a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses and unlabelled H5N1 viruses and then sending this out to an Austrian research company, Avir Green Hills Biotechnology, who subsequently sent portions of it to sub-contractors in the Czech Republic, Slovenia and Germany.

“People familiar with biosecurity rules are dismayed by evidence that human H3N2 and avian H5N1 viruses somehow co-mingled in the Orth-Donau facility. That is a dangerous practice that should not be allowed to happen, a number of experts insisted,” Helen Branswell wrote for the Canadian in February.

“Accidental release of a mixture of live H5N1 and H3N2 viruses could have resulted in dire consequences.”

Indeed. The process of mixing viruses, known as reassortment, is one of two ways to create pandemic viruses. WHO bent over backwards to make excuses for this “mistake” and said it could not reveal more information because it would give away proprietary information about Baxter’s production process.

“Baxter confirmed over the weekend that it is working with the World Health Organization on a potential vaccine to curb the deadly swine flu virus that is blamed for scores of deaths in Mexico and has emerged as a threat in the U.S.,” the Chicago Tribune reported on April 27. “Shares of Baxter were up 2.4 percent, or $1.16, to $49.23 a share in trading Monday on the New York Stock Exchange.”

During Bush’s flu pandemic scare-mongering a couple years ago, Baxter and other mega-drug companies were “awarded” around $1 billion to “increase and speed production [of a vaccine], particularly after the spread of bird flu.”

Is it possible Baxter attempted to reassort viruses into a pandemic strain in order to realize fantastic profits?

“Over the years, Baxter has worked with governments around the world to develop and produce vaccines to protect against infectious disease or potential threats from bioterrorism,” writes the Tribune.

Bioterrorism? In February, “Indonesia’s Health Minister has implicated the U.S. government in an international conspiracy to develop the bird flu virus into a deadly bio-weapon in a new book which is also endorsed by Indonesia’s President,” writes Paul Joseph Watson. “In the book, [Dr. Siti Fadilah Supari] accuses the U.S. government of seeking a monopoly on controlling the virus for two reasons. Firstly to be able to dominate the vaccine market and make vast profits from providing the cure and secondly to potentially develop the strain into a potent biological weapon.”

Meanwhile, the commoners will be propagandized ad nauseam on the threat and will have leaflets dropped on their doorsteps. According to experts cited endlessly by the corporate media, the Big Kahuna of pandemic viruses will emerge this autumn so we have to be prepared for the worse case scenario.

Martial law may be required to fight this new plague. Here in the states, Massachusetts is ahead of the curve — a recently passed bill, S18, gives the Governor the power to authorize the deployment and use of force to distribute supplies and materials and local authorities will be allowed to enter private residences for investigation and to quarantine individuals.

In 2005, Bush ordered, and HHS developed, the National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza, a plan funded by Congress that went into effect in 2006. And then there are the various CONPLAN preparations devised by the Pentagon and Northcom to deal with pandemic influenza of the sort “accidentally” cooked up by Baxter.

“The pandemic is being presented to public opinion as an issue of National Security, with a view to triggering the militarization of civilian institutions in blatant violation of the Posse Comitatus Act,” writes Michel Chossudovsky. “The hidden agenda consists in using the threat of a pandemic and/or the plight of a natural disaster as a pretext to establish military rule.”

It also serves as a pretext to make the cash registers at Baxter and Big Pharma sing.

Source: Infowars


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post May 6 2009, 04:20 PM
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Swine flu fears subside, but second wave looms The echoes of the 1918 flu are unavoidable. 04 May 2009 Historical accounts long have suggested that the first pandemic wave appeared in the U.S. in the spring of 1918, causing illness, but no appreciable deaths above normal... Those early cases were followed by far more fatal second and third waves in the fall and winter of 1918 and 1919 in the United States. "When it got cool enough to spread well, the virus exploded," Dr. Jeffery K. Taubenberger, an influenza investigator in the Laboratory of Infectious Diseases at the National Institutes of Health, said.



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QUOTE (Fremen Bryan @ May 6 2009, 05:11 PM) *

Tamiflu was originally manufactured by Gilead Sciences and
licensed to Hoffman-La Roche. Dr. Evil himself, Donald
Rumsfeld, was appointed chairman of Gilead Sciences in
1997. Former Sec. of State George Schultz, CFR, Trilateral,
and Bilderberg member, is on the board of Gilead Sciences.


Rumsfeld's growing stake in Tamiflu --Defense Secretary, ex-chairman of flu treatment rights holder, sees portfolio value growing. 31 Oct 2005 The prospect of a bird flu outbreak may be panicking people around the globe, but it's proving to be very good news for Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other politically connected investors in Gilead Sciences, the California biotech company that owns the rights to Tamiflu, the influenza remedy that's now the most-sought after drug in the world. Rumsfeld served as Gilead (Research)'s chairman from 1997 until he joined the Bush administration in 2001, and he still holds a Gilead stake valued at between $5 million and $25 million, according to federal financial disclosures filed by Rumsfeld.

http://www.legitgov.org/flu_kills_torture_memos_260409.html


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