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QUOTE (Sarah @ Jul 6 2004, 02:20 AM)


before you guys make such ignorant observations

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Jul 7 2004, 01:02 PM
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I know I've come a bit late into this heated debate but I wanna just say that I have studied psychology and that Sarah's comments were definately reflective of what I have learned.

Without trying to go to much into psychology, yes anorexics do have a distorted image of themselves. If you talk to any anorexic person they will tell you they are fat.

The idea of anorexia being a means to gain conrtol of themselves when living in a strict family is far from the idea of megalomania you talked about, rev. I think having control over your own life isn't too much to ask.

No one is challenging your right to have an opinion, from what I can see, what they are challenging your opinion itself. By doing so they are trying to allow you to understand a topic that you saifd you hardly know naything about, so you can develop a more informed opinion.


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QUOTE (ley-adam.99 @ Jul 7 2004, 09:02 PM)
I know I've come a bit late into this heated debate but I wanna just say that I have studied psychology and that Sarah's comments were definately reflective of what I have learned.

Without trying to go to much into psychology, yes anorexics do have a distorted image of themselves. If you talk to any anorexic person they will tell you they are fat.

The idea of anorexia being a means to gain conrtol of themselves when living in a strict family is far from the idea of megalomania you talked about, rev. I think having control over your own life isn't too much to ask.

No one is challenging your right to have an opinion, from what I can see, what they are challenging your opinion itself. By doing so they are trying to allow you to understand a topic that you saifd you hardly know naything about, so you can develop a more informed opinion.

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Lol thanks. wavenew.gif How goes it?


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QUOTE (ley-adam.99 @ Jul 7 2004, 09:06 PM)
Lol thanks. wavenew.gif How goes it?

i really liked that post.

sorry i got sarcasmo on you in THE WALL thread.... sad.gif
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QUOTE (ley-adam.99 @ Jul 7 2004, 04:02 PM)

The idea of anorexia being a means to gain conrtol of themselves when living in a strict family is far from the idea of megalomania you talked about, rev.

I never talked about megalomania. Don't misquote me, please.
I simply said that these kinds of people should remember the poor and hungry when they're purposely vomiting food or outright trashing it.
Believe me, this is a disease can be controlled, without even much help.


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Sorry Rev, that quote was from Intrepid One. Yeah for the record Rev didn't say that it was Intrepid One.

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I never talked about megalomania. Don't misquote me, please.
I simply said that these kinds of people should remember the poor and hungry when they're purposely vomiting food or outright trashing it.


People with eating disorders don't think rationally like that, and anyway, anorexics don't vomit up their food after, that's bullimia, a totally different eating disorder that involves EATING TOO MUCH.
They can't just think 'Oh yeah I'm being so selfish, people are starving in Africa and here's me not eating'. They have a distorted image of themselves. Even when they are instituionalised and they see other anorexics die in there, they still continue not to eat. It defies common sense and rationality, that's why it's a disorder.

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And this assertion is based on...?



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This whole thing is something that i am completely insensitive to. Its a disease produced by vanity and receieves no sympathy from me. sorry.



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Sorry I'm so late first I'd like to post my original thoughts on the topic.

What frustrates me is that people idealize these people like they are so great, because they have money. Fuck money it aint worth anything anyway, people just think it is. Why not idealize someone who works hard and isn't so overly rewarded, like the workers in the sweatshops where her clothes are maid. They constantly have to work over time with no bonuses for doing so, and for just enough to get their families by. And yet they wake up every morning just to do it again, because they have to, not so they can where designer clothes and have wide screen TV's. Fuck Mary-Kate*, Fuck J-Lo, and Fuck Donald Trump.
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*But then again I don't think anybody here has actually met the Mary-Kate, you can't judge her on what side of her the media chooses to show you, and it's my belief that deep down every human is a good, caring person. She most likely doesn't understand what the world is truly like, and quite obviously doesn't know what’s really important.

Now for my thoughts after reading,

When it comes to the disorder and how her popularity (which I hate so much.) is brining attention to it, yeah I suppose it is good but, not so much because of the attention to the disorder but, more because it shows us how the media can suppress our very own instincts, this goes beyond eating. If we truly look at how much our greed and self consciousness are inflamed by the media we might be able to find out what type of people we would be with out it. Is being competitive actually part of human nature or is that just as likely to be there as this extreme vanity?



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QUOTE (ley-adam.99 @ Jul 8 2004, 03:50 AM)
anorexics don't vomit up their food after, that's bullimia, a totally different eating disorder that involves EATING TOO MUCH.


Yes, friend, that's why I said this:

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I simply said that these kinds of people should remember the poor and hungry when they're purposely vomiting food or outright trashing it.


I hold bulemics and anorexics in the same regard. Either way you've wasted food because of vanity. This is a weakness that is focused in the brain. I referred to it previously as a disease, which was a mistake. Its not a disease. Its something people such as the Olsen twins conjure up for attention. Who cares, right? These people aren't sick. Let them waste- they've chosen to.


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I hold bulemics and anorexics in the same regard. Either way you've wasted food because of vanity. This is a weakness that is focused in the brain. I referred to it previously as a disease, which was a mistake. Its not a disease. Its something people such as the Olsen twins conjure up for attention. Who cares, right? These people aren't sick. Let them waste- they've chosen to.


I'm not sure if it is a diseas I'm pretty sure it is defined as a psychological disorder so I agree with you on that point.
But just because you choose to do something doesn't mean stopping is just a matter of choice. Ask any smoker who wants to quit. Anorexics try to start eating again, but it's not that easy. Of course, you'll never be able to understand that since you haven't suffered from annoreixa and you seem to have a total lack of empathy for these people.

These people ARE sick, since they have been diagnosed with anorexia nervosa, a nervous loss of appetite which is defined as a disorder which requires treatment, in any medical journal.


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