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TheShootingStar
Jun 11 2003, 01:03 AM
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Ok, there was a topic posted in the links section and the title was God Loves You or something like.. Anyways, the topic was locked off so I didn't get a chance to respond.. mad.gif

Anyways, why all the negative comments towards what proudAmerican posted???? Personally, thats my religion and I feel offended about the comments that were made towards his post.. The man was just trying to spread his word and yet all the negative feedback.. So, I just want to know what all that was about??? He wasn't tryin to force his beliefs on anybody.. He was just passing along some VERY important that could save a lot of lifes in the future.. Now, if the words: Nigga, gay, jew, or whatever were used people would be throwin a fit..

So, with all this said.. If you want respect, then you need to give it... Thats all... Some of the comments made could of been avoided easily, there were better ways to say thanks for the info, but no thanks.. ya know??? Thats all I'm sayin.. Well, other than that.. Have a good day wink.gif

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zapatista
Jun 11 2003, 01:15 AM
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I know exactly what you are saying. That's why I posted the way that I did...I felt bad cause I knew as soon as people saw it.... these smilies would be in full effect...

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and sure enough...

I guess being open minded means only being open to the stuff you believe...and to think...all this time I thought that it ment being open to ALL ideas and beliefs. rolleyes.gif

but...there is a time and place for everything... and maybe this isnt' the time or place.

AND...he was totally spaming! shamless plug for his site...all tho I have see that done before...i'm confused! blink.gif


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SilverTongue
Jun 11 2003, 01:25 AM
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Damn, I couldn't reply either. Too late. But I would have been even harsher than the comments before, I know that. Quite clearly, this proudAmerican just signed up, posted that shit, and will probably never be seen here agin!

With a name like he's got, he doesn't give a shit about Rage or Zack, and probably thinks music is a sin (except Lincoln Brewster or some other similar shit). He's just come here in an attepmt to save us from sin, in his head anyway.

Shooting Star, I cannot believe you are truly a Christian? Coz Christians hate Rage as they are so closed minded. The Evanesce lead singer was raised a Christian, and started out making Christian punk, but said the whole scene was completely closed minded to any other form of music. If you a Christian, do you believe in equal rights for all, like homosexuals for instance, which are discriminated against by the Church and the system?

And as far as his website goes? shit.gif Awwwww, I mean, the Top 10 countries that persecute Christians. Well boo hoo, my heart bleeds for him. What about the evil shit Christians did during the crusades against Muslims? He is no better than the people he speaks out againsts. The KKK are Christians, and persecute anyone who is a minority. (prehaps they should start persecting themselves then, as Christians are minority too, crazy fucks).

What about the Top 10 counties that persecute Muslims and Islamic countires? HUH? He failed to meantion that didn't he? Especially as his proud country, the USA is probably at number 1. The brainwashed nature in his thinking, and how he thinks he is above all others sickens me.


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zapatista
Jun 11 2003, 01:35 AM
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With a name like he's got, he doesn't give a shit about Rage or Zack, and probably thinks music is a sin (except Lincoln Brewster or some other similar shit). He's just come here in an attepmt to save us from sin, in his head anyway.

honestly, at first I thought his name was a joke..And as far as not giving a shit about Zack...well..we may never know now.

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Coz Christians hate Rage as they are so closed minded.
ummm I love RAGE...and Zack too...I'm not close minded either.

I agree that his site was propaganda...but..I honestly don't like to state any of my thoughts on relig. cause I know i'll get just what he got...i'm not out to save anyone..to each his own..I don't agree with everthing in MY religion..but damn...don't just slam the door cause tha boy believes in God!


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zapatista
Jun 11 2003, 01:38 AM
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ya know...i just went back and read it again...and it sounds like a pre-made post...ya know what i mean..like he's just going around posting the same thing over and over...

hmmm....SPAM! well, we are going to get some good coversation out of it anyway! laugh.gif


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TheShootingStar
Jun 11 2003, 01:45 AM
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QUOTE (zapatista @ Jun 11 2003, 09:15 AM)
but...there is a time and place for everything... and maybe this isnt' the time or place.

AND...he was totally spaming! shamless plug for his site...all tho I have see that done before...i'm confused! blink.gif

So, when is the time and place??? When, its too late.. lol.. Man, what everybody has to remember is tomorrow is not promised.. ya know?? You have to get your word whenever you can.. why delay???

Well, about his shameless plug for his site.. I don't blame him, I would of did the same thing.. wink.gif

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Jun 11 2003, 01:49 AM
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QUOTE (TheShootingStar @ Jun 11 2003, 09:45 AM)
So, when is the time and place??? When, its too late.. lol..

unsure.gif I guess not here and now...cause he got shot down and his post was moved to never never land. mellow.gif


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SilverTongue
Jun 11 2003, 02:07 AM
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I ain't slamming him coz he belives in God. I believe there is a God myself, and that Jesus did come, but that Christianity is all bollocks, and the wrong way to remeber Christ. People who believe in Jesus, but not the Bible are not proudAmerican. Following the Bible just does to you as it did to him, turns ya into brainwashed sheep.

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- Mumia Abu Jamal.


"The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic" - Joseph Stalin.

"We need a new system of values, a system of the organic unity between mankind and nature, and the ethic of global responsibility" - Mikhail Gorbachev.

"Anyone who doesn't regret the passing of the Soviet Union has no heart. Anyone who wants it restored has no brains" - Vladimir Putin.

"Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise"
- Adolf Hitler.

"My object in life is to dethrone God and destroy capitalism" - Karl Marx.

"One of the basic conditions for the victory of socialism is the arming of the workers and the disarming of the bourgeoisie" - Vladimir Ilich Lenin.
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TheShootingStar
Jun 11 2003, 02:14 AM
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QUOTE (SilverTongue @ Jun 11 2003, 09:25 AM)
With a name like he's got, he doesn't give a shit about Rage or Zack, and probably thinks music is a sin (except Lincoln Brewster or some other similar shit). He's just come here in an attepmt to save us from sin, in his head anyway.

Shooting Star, I cannot believe you are truly a Christian? Coz Christians hate Rage as they are so closed minded. The Evanesce lead singer was raised a Christian, and started out making Christian punk, but said the whole scene was completely closed minded to any other form of music. If you a Christian, do you believe in equal rights for all, like homosexuals for instance, which are discriminated against by the Church and the system?

And as far as his website goes? shit.gif Awwwww, I mean, the Top 10 countries that persecute Christians. Well boo hoo, my heart bleeds for him. What about the evil shit Christians did during the crusades against Muslims? He is no better than the people he speaks out againsts. The KKK are Christians, and persecute anyone who is a minority. (prehaps they should start persecting themselves then, as Christians are minority too, crazy fucks).

What about the Top 10 counties that persecute Muslims and Islamic countires? HUH? He failed to meantion that didn't he? Especially as his proud country, the USA is probably at number 1. The brainwashed nature in his thinking, and how he thinks he is above all others sickens me.

SilverTongue..

Don't be sooo quick to judge, in fact man.. Don't judge at all!!! If there is one thing I hate its getting judged and stereotypes...

How you know he don't like Zack or Rage?!?!? Because he's Christian??? You say christians hate rage.. Well, I'm a Christian and I don't hate rage.. So, that right there is a stereotype.. You think just because I'm christian.. I lost my taste in good music?!?!?! Heck no man!!! I ain't deaf!!! laugh.gif I appreciate good talent in music whether its christian or not christian and no I'm not close minded..

Now, about the whole Evanesce thing.. I read the interview and laughed liked crazy.. That was the christian stores fault.. they should of did some more research on the group instead of assuming.. But, at the same time I was thinkin.. Are they tryin to diss my religion???? unsure.gif

Now, about homosexuals.. Do I believe in equal rights for everybody?? Yes.. Do i support/agree with homosexuals??? No... But, hey thats their thing.. If you are into thats fine by me.. Do your thing.. that doesn't have nothin to do with me.. ya know??? I don't agree with it.. But, I'm not going to hate you if you are for that.. ya know??

About this whole thing about what Christians did to Muslims.. I have no idea what your talkin about.. So, feel free to explain...

And about the KKK being Christians.. Don't buy into that BS!!!!! Its like saying you should blame all muslims for what happened because of 911!!! What those people did during 911.. Do you think that is what Islam is all about????

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Jun 11 2003, 02:26 AM
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QUOTE (SilverTongue @ Jun 11 2003, 10:07 AM)
I ain't slamming him coz he belives in God. I believe there is a God myself, and that Jesus did come, but that Christianity is all bollocks, and the wrong way to remeber Christ. People who believe in Jesus, but not the Bible are not proudAmerican. Following the Bible just does to you as it did to him, turns ya into brainwashed sheep.

Zack de la Rocha - "I give a shout out to tha living dead"

It sure did look like you was attacking him to me... And about the brainwashed sheep thing.. Your right.. I see Zack de la Rocha has you brainwashed.. wink.gif

Zack's cool.. But, if it comes down to choosing between my God and Zack.. I will always choose my God over him.. no questions asked...
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Jun 11 2003, 02:42 AM
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I was attacking him, just not for the simple reason he believes in God, but for the reason I find him fanatical. Yeah, Zack has me brainwashed laughing.gif Even if I was, it's better to be brainwashed by a great man with good values, than something that drives people to hate and persecute i.e. religion.

Surely you know about the Christian crusades, like centuries ago? They set out to "cleanse the East", and "reclaim what was theirs". They slaughtered and killed masses of Muslims in their path to Bethlehem. Christianity is still the same, so I can see a psychotic killer "in the name of Christ" in all Bible followers. Hell, if your local community of Christains suddenly decided to cleanse your area from "disgusting" homosexuality, and hunted them down and burn them, would you not take part and leave yourself out?

Man am I glad Christianity is loser power all the time, as waves of people obeyed like sheep to the orders of the Church. I mean, the Beatles were labeled as "satanic! laugh.gif laughing.gif I mean, what did they do, except revolutionise music, support freedom and have a good time?

I won't rant about your view that you don't support/agree with homosexuals. Things could get too ugly. I guesse I can include yall in the anti-tATu lot.



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- Mumia Abu Jamal.


"The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic" - Joseph Stalin.

"We need a new system of values, a system of the organic unity between mankind and nature, and the ethic of global responsibility" - Mikhail Gorbachev.

"Anyone who doesn't regret the passing of the Soviet Union has no heart. Anyone who wants it restored has no brains" - Vladimir Putin.

"Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise"
- Adolf Hitler.

"My object in life is to dethrone God and destroy capitalism" - Karl Marx.

"One of the basic conditions for the victory of socialism is the arming of the workers and the disarming of the bourgeoisie" - Vladimir Ilich Lenin.
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Jun 11 2003, 02:46 AM
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QUOTE (TheShootingStar @ Jun 11 2003, 05:14 AM)

Now, about homosexuals.. Do I believe in equal rights for everybody?? Yes.. Do i support/agree with homosexuals??? No... But, hey thats their thing.. If you are into thats fine by me.. Do your thing.. that doesn't have nothin to do with me.. ya know??? I don't agree with it.. But, I'm not going to hate you if you are for that.. ya know??


I'll agree with this, but it also applies to religion. They can do their thing, that's fine. If a homosexual approaches me I'll knock his ass out; if a holy roller approaches me I'll tell him to fuck off.
I'm not going to defend it either way, that's not my point because I don't believe in the God that Christians TELL me to believe in. Yes, I believe there is something out there(why can't it be a sexy woman instead of an old gray bearded guy), but until I see some proof, I mean some REAL proof then I choose atheism. Why? Because I can. Nobody will tell me what to believe-not my mother, a priest, or especially some spamming cock that comes into a RATM website to talk about God.
It just shouldn't be pushed on anybody in my opinion, I've had everything from Christianity to Satanism to Wicken(or whatever) pushed in my face, and it seemed to me that these people were insecure about their own beliefs and they're just trying to recruit followers to build some half-cock heavenly empire. Yes, I was dragged to Sunday school like clockwork all through childhood-they didn't reach me then, and they're surely not reaching me now.
But this guy to come in here and spew that to us, which incidentally was his first post so its probably true about how he just goes around spewing, was just ignorant and he should've known he was going to get slammed. In fact, I thought about PMing him just to find out what his intentions were in the first place. I'm sure in his own mind he thought they were good, but to the rest of us with our eyes open, it was just another attack to put something in the collection plate so the priest can buy more dildos to shove up the alter boys ass.
S' okay though man, you're still cool, I'm not attacking you by any means..smile.gif


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I really don't want to offend Shooting Star, I am probably generalising too much between fanatics and moderates. A couple of (unofficially former) friends of mine are bordering fantic. They've tried a few times to make me a Christian like them, and have tricked me into going to one of their youth gatherings (man, I've never been more spooked ohno.gif ).

Since then, I've kinda built a hatred for all things Christian, and a love for all things that piss them off. I'm one myself, only very light. I believe in Jesus and a God, but not the Bible. I believe, so I am forgiven right? But all I get is"oh the Bible says" and shit, like I've gotta become a brainless follower. Jesus didn't want that! I haven't sinned, yet since I'm not a Bible follower, I'm a sinner wacko.gif !. However, a Bible basher like Bush who is obviously an evil fuck, is going to heaven, as he is so great and wonderful, God bless the Christian crusader machine that is the USA!


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- Mumia Abu Jamal.


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"We need a new system of values, a system of the organic unity between mankind and nature, and the ethic of global responsibility" - Mikhail Gorbachev.

"Anyone who doesn't regret the passing of the Soviet Union has no heart. Anyone who wants it restored has no brains" - Vladimir Putin.

"Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise"
- Adolf Hitler.

"My object in life is to dethrone God and destroy capitalism" - Karl Marx.

"One of the basic conditions for the victory of socialism is the arming of the workers and the disarming of the bourgeoisie" - Vladimir Ilich Lenin.
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there is just SO much to read here and i feel SO hungover (but i'm not blink.gif ) but i HAVE to reply to this shit.

oh god...i don't even know where to begin.

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I cannot believe you are truly a Christian? Coz Christians hate Rage as they are so closed minded. The Evanesce lead singer was raised a Christian, and started out making Christian punk, but said the whole scene was completely closed minded to any other form of music. If you a Christian, do you believe in equal rights for all, like homosexuals for instance, which are discriminated against by the Church and the system?



i'm a christian. i sure as fuck don't hate rage. i'm far from close minded. i love all kinds of music. i strongly believe in equal rights for ALL. i have homosexual friends and it never even crosses my mind until i'm questioned about it (and it's usually by non-christian/non-religious people)....i agree that some churches and stuff discriminate big time. i'm not a big church person. i've seen the good and the bad.


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And as far as his website goes?  Awwwww, I mean, the Top 10 countries that persecute Christians. Well boo hoo, my heart bleeds for him. What about the evil shit Christians did during the crusades against Muslims? He is no better than the people he speaks out againsts. The KKK are Christians, and persecute anyone who is a minority. (prehaps they should start persecting themselves then, as Christians are minority too, crazy fucks).

What about the Top 10 counties that persecute Muslims and Islamic countires? HUH? He failed to meantion that didn't he? Especially as his proud country, the USA is probably at number 1. The brainwashed nature in his thinking, and how he thinks he is above all others sickens me.


i didn't check out the site. people are people man. it's sad when any innocent person dies. i don't see why it's any different. so that just lost me.

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i'm not out to save anyone..to each his own..I don't agree with everthing in MY religion..but damn...don't just slam the door cause tha boy believes in God!


agreed completely. i disagree with A LOT. and i mean A LOT. but i still firmly believe i'm a christian. just cuz i don't fit the stereotype doesn't make me a hypocrit. i'm just being fucking honest about the good and the bad.

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when is the time and place???

i think here and now is just fine. if i would've brought up an issue on islam or buddhism or many other religions i'm sure i would not get as much heat. this is a great forum. i can take the heat. i ain't gettin out of the kitchen. shit. turn up the fire. i'm ready.

...i'm putting this quote up AGAIN only cuz when i read it i was like...."damn, i feel ya bro"...and like i said before...i've never given p.o.d. a chance cuz all i get about them is negative feedback...but it's usually from non-christians...
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S: People expect that because we're Christians, [our] music might be no good. Don't trash my CD just because I believe in God. It's like, you never turn on the radio and hear someone say, "Here's a song from the Beastie Boys, a Buddhist rap band." But when it's Christian, it becomes a mockery.



i have more to say but i'll chill for now cuz dunno.gif i dunno why. but i will.

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