Zack de la Rocha Network Forum _ .:: "the hot seat" ::. _ Pride In Ones Race

: Metzli Feb 24 2004, 05:45 PM

Do you guys think that it is wrong to be proud of being your own Race? This was brought up in My sociology class today... the lecturer said something like...
"people who gather within their own race, are internalizing themselves" Blah
and some other B.S. I mean.. I am VERY proud to be a Chicana, but does that mean that I am internalizing myself with my own people??? And there are Orgs. On campus that are for specific Ethnic groups but are not limited to that specifid group. I'm in an Student Org. Called MEChA and they have taken a lot of heat for being a supposed "extremist" and we've been called the Brown KKK, and there have been Campaigns speifically to shut our org down.. The UCLA Republicans to be specific..http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/articles.asp?id=27211.. I know that this is kinda outdated... But the Issue still stands.. IS it WRONG for one to be extreme about their Race?? What about the New Black Panther Party?? Have they gone too Extreme???

and while we all know of these... The KKK? (not to mention they have committed dozens of hate Crimes)

When should it stop?


I don't know.. too much on my mind.. wacko.gif


Does this belong in Anything goes?? unsure.gif

: Underground Feb 24 2004, 06:09 PM

if there are good reasons to be proud, than one should be proud

: Grimer 54 Feb 24 2004, 06:18 PM

of course you should be pround of your culture, and your heritage. Your ancestor's struggles paved the way for your existence, and thats a damn good thing to be proud of. Its good to celebrate one's traditions, to recall your past, and relish one's history.

At the same time, one must realize that despite what sicety says, each race is equal, and that judgement should be based on an individual, not his color or creed.

As long as you respect other cultures, as you much as you respect your own, it is perfectly fine to feel pride in your history. Defy assimilation, and carry on your lineage, ignore the ignorant, and maintain your integrity.

Thats where extremists, like the KKK, some religious sects, and the like, go overboard. They view their own race as superior, (thus others inferior, solely on their beliefs/race/etc) and ignorantly deny to give respect to other beliefs. Thats Where its at.

: Moremi Feb 24 2004, 06:31 PM

No, I don't think there is anything wrong with being proud of your race or heritage or culture. The organizations you mentioned probably wouldn't even exist if minorities were being treated fairly and not being abused for the color of our skin. The same conservatives that tell us to pull ourselves up by our boot straps want to scream racism the moment we start getting organized to do something about our condition. The truth is, they don't want us to do anything for ourselves except stay at the bottom of society. I'm glad these groups exist. From what I've read, I can't see anything wrong with MEChA. I don't think the comparision to the KKK is fair. But that's apart of their game, I think, so people will stop supporting you.

: nerve Feb 24 2004, 06:43 PM

QUOTE (Underground @ Feb 25 2004, 02:09 AM)
if there are good reasons to be proud, than one should be proud

that's funny

: Casbah Feb 24 2004, 06:53 PM

even though my family didnt get here in america till the early, early 20th century, im still ashamed at what white people have done before then and what many still do today, i dont want to be associated or connected in any way to those people, in some ways its like being blamed for the sins of the father

: Metzli Feb 25 2004, 01:45 AM

I see what you all of you are saying.. hmm.gif I guess I was just feeling a bit wacko.gif, But cool thanks for the Input!! grin.gif

: Sara Feb 25 2004, 01:57 AM

QUOTE (casbah rebel @ Feb 25 2004, 03:53 PM)
even though my family didnt get here in america till the early, early 20th century, im still ashamed at what white people have done before then and what many still do today, i dont want to be associated or connected in any way to those people, in some ways its like being blamed for the sins of the father

no see, dont be ashamed of being white, that's crazy talk...

i can understand u being angry, so the key thing here is to be aware of the mistakes that are being made by ppl of ur ethnic group and instead of feeling bad bout it, do something bout it? (i am not suggesting that u r not doing anything bout..im just saying smile2.gif )

: Sara Feb 25 2004, 02:02 AM

no i dont think its wrong to be proud of ur race...ever...i mean being proud of who u r, ur race and heritege is what preserves ur culture. if ppl lose interst in their culture or associate themselves with other cultures they end up quite troubled...coz they arent fully accepted by the culture that they're trying to be associated with, and they are denied by their native culture...this is so offtopic isnt it? i guess what im trying to say is, our pride in who we are, preserves who we are as individuals.

: Straycat Feb 25 2004, 08:44 AM

im not ashamed of being white....but being proud of being white sounds pretty KKK.....


i dunno..


i think we should be proud of the things we did or could influence like our job or character. i didnt choose to be white, nobody asked me if i wanted to be white i was just born like that ( and only to be able to survive in in this particular climat i live in).

and germans, english or french are white too-should i be proud of their history too?

i would replace the word "pride" with "acceptance".... hmm.gif

.....and where one race ends and other begins? i think we're talkin here more bout culture...


i dunno....what do you think bout that? huh.gif

: NoiseUnited Feb 25 2004, 11:12 AM

Being who you are has little do to with your race. So being proud of your race isn't a good thing in my opinion. But if a group of people were all being shunned for the same reason, you can expect them to all feel the same about that and would probablly unite in this feeling. Further more, being a race doesn't really relate you any closer of someone of the same race if they don't share the same background. RageBabe, keep your groups united opinion out in the open, we need more people like you in America! grin.gif and Straycat, being proud of who you are is ok, and certain Caucasians in history certainly have fought for good. You should be proud of that and aspire to do likewise, but being that caucasians are the most wealthy and most enpowered, we must recognize other cultures as equal, especially ones that have enriched our own. To better the human experience currentlly in place.

: Straycat Feb 25 2004, 11:25 AM

....yeah, man...but im polish-we're not wealthy nor empowered...but still white..we're hunged somewhere in the middle huh.gif

: Metzli Feb 25 2004, 11:25 AM

In some ways I feel that RACE has A LOT to do with who you are. The way certain groups have been affected in the past has only been because of your race and/or skin color!! For example, During the Civil RIghts Movement, there were all these people of Color and many Women and of Course there was White Supporter, But what I am saying is that Just being the Same Race as someone else gave you som much To relate to Bacause they are Dealing with the same issues... liek they way they are treated in Public or the way they have been treated in the past.. You know.. I think that it's important to recognize the struggle that ones ancestors went through... The Civil Rights movement brought out so much!! Many Groupd were UNITED simply because they were the same race or skin color, Because that was what they were struggling for!! Today, you don't see that.. why?? I'm not saying that we should all Protest and Rally like the 60's and 70's, BUT we have so much to fight for and there hasn't been DRAMATIC change... Why??? wacko.gif I am going wacko.gif again... This Issue goes BEYOND being Proud of ones Race.. Becasue a lot of the History is the reason why people are PROUD!! that's probably why (Some) white people are ahsamed of being white... they know it's not their fault.. but are a bit ashamed of the history.. Okay I am Rambling... but I hope I make sense to some...

: Metzli Feb 25 2004, 11:28 AM

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Does this belong in Anything goes?? unsure.gif

It's HOT oh yeah!!! IT's HOT!!! clap2.gif


















Sorry zshy.gif

: Casbah Feb 25 2004, 11:40 AM

you couldnt be more right there, your not rambling rage-babe, i am angry at history but i do think the best thing i could do to "make up for it", is to do everything within my own power to make sure nothing similar happens in the future



(sorry i cant do quotes cus my computer wont copy and paste..cant do the smilies any more either since my computer had the big stroke about a week an a half ago..)

i wish people were as genuinely active and vocal with their discontent as they were in the 60's and 70's

: NoiseUnited Feb 25 2004, 12:54 PM

You're right, you are your culture, being chicano is part of your identity, RageBabe and it does set you apart. Being prideful of your people is important. But my culture is not one race, so being proud of whatever race I may be(have no idea) seems irrelevant when I look to american history and see a multitude of people I look up to. Even though I'm white, I feel closer to Malcolm X than Richard Nixon.

: Test subject #41 Feb 25 2004, 01:13 PM

Being proud of you’re culture, your country of origin, and the hardships people of the same origin have gone through is a great thing. Through the history of the world influential people have used race to separate and exploit the minority from a group of people, and it's great how the people of minorities use it as a way to unite them selves and strengthen there pride as a people. But to me it seems silly to be proud of your race because to me that’s like being proud of your eye colure or hair color. But I guess it depends on how you describe race.

: Sara Feb 25 2004, 01:27 PM

yes but see u cannot seperate ur race from the culture and traditition u see, um they dont exist in abstract...they're not completely seperated...

like when one is proud of being mexican, looking at it as a racial identitiy, one is proud of the mexican ppl, the movents, um the history, the culture u know? so race, i mean ok, race is biological, but us looking different from others also meant that we speak a different language, we have a different belief system and different ways of doing things u know? so they're not completely seperate.

well one should be proud of their eye colour and skin colour, i mean did u read moremi's topic? "what is beautiful"? if we werent proud of who we are as individuals, of the way we look, of our our culture things like whitening cream maynot have been invented...i dont know, that's just what i think blackhair.gif

ps. RAGE BABE ur topic is hot like fire laugh.gif wavenew.gif

: Metzli Feb 25 2004, 01:29 PM

I completely know where you are coming from, BUT, because of those differences in skin shades and hair textures and all of those little thing that we may not think should be a BIG deal.. (especially in the way we are viewed in socitey) But the TRUTH is... because we are Darker or not light enough... those differences have made all the differences. Like yeah if we all had brown eyes... Why be all proud of it?? Well the comparrisson is not the same as Skin Color... People have been enslaved, conquered and such and such.. solely because of their skin color/Race.... the many people that have struggled, have stuggled because of their exterior... also Race/Skin color also goes as deep as your culture... Why, why were all the Aztecs and MExicas taken over their land?? The Spaniard saw them as uncivilized and inferior... Why were sooo Many Africans Enslaved??.... The oppression of these people is because of their Race.. and the color of their skin... Like who gave the White Man the right to take over?? I mean yeah.. they thought it would their Divine Right to do so.. but is it right???
Like, what am I saying here.. hmm.gif.. yeah all this bad stuff happened and it happened because of those Biological differences, that's why it doesn't make sense to compare skin color to eye color.... Okay.. I am rambling again.. I will write back when I get more in my head.. wacko.gif


Thanks for all the Input People!! grin.gif

: Metzli Feb 25 2004, 01:32 PM

QUOTE (Sarah @ Feb 25 2004, 01:27 PM)
ps. RAGE BABE ur topic is hot like fire laugh.gif wavenew.gif

Awww... Thanks embar.gif wavenew.gif Hi Sarah!!

: Sara Feb 25 2004, 01:36 PM

heya! smile2.gif

^ that's so true, all thruout history, ppl of darker colour were viewed as inferior, so yeah one should be proud of their race and their skin colour (and the eye colour that comes with it laugh.gif ) i think our pride in our race is important coz u need a sense of awareness of who u r, acceptence and pride and like i said before these things are important coz they preserve the culture, and with us being proud of our colours, i think that's the way to stop racist fucks from opressing minorities u know, like when one is proud, one is strong and one can fight for their rights, which is what those organizations r doing.

: Metzli Feb 25 2004, 01:44 PM

Oh So true Sarah!!! clap2.gif

: Test subject #41 Feb 25 2004, 05:21 PM

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but us looking different from others also meant that we speak a different language, we have a different belief system and different ways of doing things u know?


Well I see where your coming from, this isn't always true an Asian person who is raised by a Western family may not speak a different language or have different ways of doing things people just assume these thing's because of his/her race.

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well one should be proud of their eye colour and skin colour, i mean did u read moremi's topic? "what is beautiful"? if we werent proud of who we are as individuals, of the way we look, of our our culture things like whitening cream maynot have been invented...i dont know, that's just what i think


No sorry I haven't read that post yet. I'm proud of whom I am and my culture, and although I'm very confident in my appearance (some times maybe to much) I still don't see why I should be proud of what I look like, is how I look really important?

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People have been enslaved, conquered and such and such.. solely because of their skin color/Race.


People have been enslaved, conquered and persecuted for many reasons. Jewish people have been persecuted for centuries, and not at all of them, by far, have been Middle Eastern. But they should still be proud of their people for over coming these unthinkable crimes against them. I know this doesn't counter the argument above.
But I think that pride in ones heritage is more important then pride in ones skin colour. (And the eye colour that it may come with it laugh.gif )

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yeah all this bad stuff happened and it happened because of those Biological differences


That depends on where you believe racism started from, an interesting theory is that the Europeans came up with the idea of them being superior to men of different colour, simply so that they could dehumanize Africans allowing them to enslave these people with out any one questioning it. Allowing them free labour to inflate there economy. (“Doing it this way made America the richest country in the world” –Bowling for Columbine.) But no one knows for sure.

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i think our pride in our race is important coz u need a sense of awareness of who u r, acceptence and pride and like i said before these things are important coz they preserve the culture, and with us being proud of our colours, i think that's the way to stop racist fucks from opressing minorities u know, like when one is proud, one is strong and one can fight for their rights, which is what those organizations r doing.


Replace race with heritage and Colours with roots. And I 100% agree with you.

It took me a while to type this and figure out how to say what I thought about each argument and now as I finish I'm starting to think that you might be right. That people should be proud of there skin colour because that is what was and is used to set them a part, but that’s only true for non-white people. So how could a white person ever be proud of there skin colour............................
aaahhhhhhhhhhg. wacko.gif
Look what you did to me.

: Sara Feb 26 2004, 01:05 AM

yes but an asian person being adopted by white ppl isnt a pattern u know? i was generally speaking, generally race is not completely seperate from culture, alot of cultures have specific ethinic groups associated with it...

i guess it is different if u were white, because white wasnt really opressed like the coloured have? even the jews that were opressed, they werent opressed coz they were white or their colours didnt fit in u know? it was solely coz they were jews, even if really they look european. it's different thu when u have brown and black ppl being looked at as inferior, being told that they are inferior, being enslaved because they r darker u know? and so this is where the sense of pride of one's colour comes in, coz then i can stand up and say i am brown and i am proud of it and i am not inferior to u...u see what we're saying here?

in the ideal world, what u look like and what colour us skin is shouldnt matter, but in the world today? yes it matters ALOT what u look like and what colour ur skin is...it's just the way it is, like ppl previously pointed out, if we werent opressed for being of a different colour, these organizations rage-babe mentions wouldnt find the need to be around, notions of pride in ones colours wont be there, coz hey we're all equal, but r we truely equal? no not in today's world, and this is where us standing up for ourselves comes in.

white ppl are proud of their looks arent they? dunno.gif

did i confuse u? haha sorry! smile2.gif

: Straycat Feb 26 2004, 01:43 AM

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white ppl are proud of their looks arent they?


maybe it's that because i live in a totally homogeneous society and i rarely meet people of other races, but i've never thought bout being proud of my skin color.
it is how it is. in first place i think that im polish, not white. i dont feel "closer" to anybody just because he or she is white. you know, brown, white, asian or black american is still american to me. but yes i feel closer to people when i know they're polish.

: Metzli Feb 26 2004, 02:18 AM

well some people don't take "PRIDE" in being Americans, I have a really good Native "american" Friend that will NOT consider herself as an American... She doesn't feel that "pride" Why????????? Because, like The Indigenous peoples of southern Mexico.. the Tribes On "American" land Suffered GReatly as well.. ... what was I saying?? Okay.. well yeah.. My friends Ancestors have been on this piece of land, My ancestors were on this piece of land and yet it was strippen from them.. ayayayay What am I eveb Saying wacko.gif



I'll come back later.. It's 2:18 am yawn.gif

: Metzli Feb 26 2004, 02:21 AM

Oh yeah.. here it goes.. just cause we're here doesn't mean that we should AGREE with the actions taken by the "nation"... This is starting to be about NAtions.. well We we're talking about Race and Skin Color, and well... yawn.gif


I'll be back soon...






RB

: Test subject #41 Feb 26 2004, 11:05 AM

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but in the world today? yes it matters ALOT what u look like and what colour ur skin is


I think this is dependent on where you live. It does make a difference in almost all places but here in Canada it doesn't matter as much, at least that’s what I find. I mean there are a few morons out there who believe that people of other races are inferior, but normally people don't even notice. But here we don't really have white suburbs or ghettos, either due to be great social programs and welfare system we have, (For now at least, knocking on wood) or maybe due to the fact we abolished slavery some 31 years earlier then America. (These are reasons I’m proud to be Canadian, but I still feel no connection and certainly no pride towards others of my own skin color.) But then again the native reserves are predominantly of lower price housing and is the group most targeted against by discrimination here (I find). Perhaps people are still using race subconsciously as they theoretically did before this time as a away to dehumanize a people so they don’t feel a responsibility to help them out of their situation and better there lives.

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white ppl are proud of their looks arent they? 


Do you mean are they proud of their skin color or there looks?
Because really if you mean looks no one can answer that question because your grouping people by they’re skin color and we are all individuals. Do you see how grouping people by their skin color, for positive or negative reasons, can get complicated?

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but yes i feel closer to people when i know they're polish.


Right, I to feel closer to people who are Scottish or Canadian, but this goes back to heritage and culture not skin color.

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well some people don't take "PRIDE" in being Americans, I have a really good Native "american" Friend that will NOT consider herself as an American


This goes back to heritage because American heritage isn't her heritage right.

(Ancestors that was the word I was looking for earlier,
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Replace race with heritage and Colours with roots. And I 100% agree with you.

Now replace roots with ancestors. Ha how confusing is that!!)

: Sara Feb 28 2004, 11:55 PM

Ok ok a race is not just colours, someone's race is their biological traits that distinguishes them from other ppl. There's more variation within the race itself than between races, but nonetheless ur race gives u a look, and a skin colour and a hair texture that makes u different from other ppl, in ur physical appearance and in ur tolerance to certain substances and all of that?

So im brown, im proud of being brown (as a colour) and as a look, I look brown, my eyes look not very European, my nose looks different, my hair is thick my hair is dark, so race here "brown" doesn’t just refer to colour, u can also use it to refer to ur ethnic identity

Being white means having a lighter skin, and even thu europeans dont look all alike (coz no race looks all alike) there r general traits that makes them look different from other ethnic groups.

I assume that because im proud of my looks and my colour because they make me who I am physically and I appreciate it, I assume that because i am proud of being who i am, and of what my ppl have acheived, i assume others are proud too.

meh i hope i didnt ramble too much

: Test subject #41 Feb 29 2004, 01:34 AM

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meh i hope i didnt ramble too much


No that was perfact.

: Moremi Feb 29 2004, 09:51 AM

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i dont feel "closer" to anybody just because he or she is white. you know, brown, white, asian or black american is still american to me. but yes i feel closer to people when i know they're polish.


I know that when I meet a person from Africa or more specifically someone from Nigeria, or a Yoruba person, I open up a lot faster. But I suspect that's the same for other people, when they meet someone from the south or a state where they were born unsure.gif But I still identify with black people throughout the African Diaspora, although people are constantly trying to divide us. And it makes me happy when I see African Americans embracing the continent where their ancestor came from. Even though all don't feel that way, I feel close to them because of our experiences. It's never been a question about whether or not I should feel proud of my race and heritage. I think people of color have to instill that in their children, if you don't, a child could very easily grow up feeling confused or ashamed of who they are.

: Metzli Feb 29 2004, 01:13 PM

Moremi,


I completely agree with you and know exactly where you're coming from. When My dad was a part of my life he brought me up as MEXICAN as he could.. haha I was brought up speaking both English and Spanish, Funny thing I was born In the US but he always toold me that I was BORN in Mexico.. smile.gif he was all into telling me about that Mexican Revolution.. raising me like that was very important. That has contributed so much to being proud of who I am. Either way it is important for onr to recognize their history and know where you're coming from!

"if you know your history, then you will know where you're coming" -Bob Marley zyes.gif

: Metzli Feb 29 2004, 01:15 PM

P.S. Looove your Avatar!!! w00t.gif

: Straycat Feb 29 2004, 01:46 PM

..... hmm.gif

you know, white people(at least from europe) are in different situation than people of colour. we have borders in europe. when i (as a pole) look for example at a german i see "a german", not a white person. they are white too, but they are different. and they are even treated differently by other nations. plus we have totally different culture and throughout our whole history we were usually enemies.

people of colour usually share experiences cause they are percieved in similar way by other races, even when they're not from the same country or cuture.


what you think??

: Turd Ferguson Feb 29 2004, 01:47 PM

How could I feel pride in my own race? I'm multiethnic, doesn't that automatically disqualify me? dunno.gif
Filipino ethnic identity has been fucked over numerous times because of colonization and occupation!! I don't like the fact that my Spanish roots come from conquistadores, or that I don't have a drop of indigenous Tagalog blood in me!

: Moremi Feb 29 2004, 04:51 PM

QUOTE (Rage-Babe @ Feb 29 2004, 05:13 PM)
Moremi,


I completely agree with you and know exactly where you're coming from. When My dad was a part of my life he brought me up as MEXICAN as he could.. haha I was brought up speaking both English and Spanish, Funny thing I was born In the US but he always toold me that I was BORN in Mexico.. smile.gif he was all into telling me about that Mexican Revolution.. raising me like that was very important. That has contributed so much to being proud of who I am. Either way it is important for onr to recognize their history and know where you're coming from!

"if you know your history, then you will know where you're coming" -Bob Marley zyes.gif

Exactly. I think that's great that your father did that. grin.gif It's important for people to see where they come from and the good things their people have done and contributed to civilization. It's important to your self worth, to know that you're more than what this society says you are or can be.

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P.S. Looove your Avatar!!!  w00t.gif


It doesn't seem to want to stay with me though. When I logged on it was gone and my old one was there wacko.gif

: Moremi Feb 29 2004, 05:28 PM

QUOTE (Straycat @ Feb 29 2004, 05:46 PM)
..... hmm.gif

you know, white people(at least from europe) are in different situation than people of colour. we have borders in europe. when i (as a pole) look for example at a german i see "a german", not a white person. they are white too, but they are different. and they are even treated differently by other nations. plus we have totally different culture and throughout our whole history we were usually enemies.

people of colour usually share experiences cause they are percieved in similar way by other races, even when they're not from the same country or cuture.


what you think??

hmm.gif
All continents have borders or nations and different tribes or ethnic groups. Europeans aren't the only ones who fight amongst each other either. But still there are privileges that go with being white, whether you're French or German or Dutch. Yes, it is easier for people of a particular race, like black people, to identify with each other because our current conditions have come about in a similar way. Our oppressors, for the most part, look the same. So yes, I think how we are perceived and treated has something to do with it.

: Casbah Feb 29 2004, 06:23 PM

ive never really accepted any of the "priveleges" that come with being white, i dont think its right to have any more of a right to something then the next person does

and there are times when your white and you think to yourself, 'if i was anything else, would things go just as smooth as they are now?'......the thing with me is, after thinking this, i immediatly feel guilt and recognise that somethings 'not right' here...

one example of this or something sort of like this that happened a couple of weeks ago at school-
me and another kid(whos black) walk into class in the morning, were both about 10 minutes late after the bell rang, weve both got well over the amount of tardies were allowed to have before a citation is issued, the teacher says hes gonna write the black kid up for being late....im expecting my name to be called right after him, but it didnt happen, the teacher immediatly went on to the lesson, so i just interrupted and said "whyd you write him up but not me?".....this got me a referral(my third one), and also resulted in my being kicked out of my morning classes, but i know it was the right thing to do


: Metzli Feb 29 2004, 07:59 PM

QUOTE (casbah rebel @ Feb 29 2004, 06:23 PM)
ive never really accepted any of the "priveleges" that come with being white,

one example of this or something sort of like this that happened a couple of weeks ago at school-
me and another kid(whos black) walk into class in the morning, were both about 10 minutes late after the bell rang, weve both got well over the amount of tardies were allowed to have before a citation is issued, the teacher says hes gonna write the black kid up for being late....im expecting my name to be called right after him, but it didnt happen, the teacher immediatly went on to the lesson, so i just interrupted and said "whyd you write him up but not me?".....this got me a referral(my third one), and also resulted in my being kicked out of my morning classes, but i know it was the right thing to do

well, White privilege is a subtle thing... By your example that was a privilege.



Except, You chose not to take it.

: Sara Feb 29 2004, 09:06 PM

QUOTE (casbah rebel @ Mar 1 2004, 03:23 PM)
one example of this or something sort of like this that happened a couple of weeks ago at school-
me and another kid(whos black) walk into class in the morning, were both about 10 minutes late after the bell rang, weve both got well over the amount of tardies were allowed to have before a citation is issued, the teacher says hes gonna write the black kid up for being late....im expecting my name to be called right after him, but it didnt happen, the teacher immediatly went on to the lesson, so i just interrupted and said "whyd you write him up but not me?".....this got me a referral(my third one), and also resulted in my being kicked out of my morning classes, but i know it was the right thing to do

tha'ts what i would've done, good on u! clap2.gif

: Casbah Feb 29 2004, 09:11 PM

id put some kind of smilie up if they worked on my computer...

thanks!!!

: Metzli Feb 29 2004, 09:20 PM

You can if you knew the html codes...




: ) = smile.gif


: D = grin.gif



Just a smiley or two..

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: Casbah Feb 29 2004, 10:28 PM

ah snap, thanks!!!! grin.gif

now i wont feel left out with the smilies

: Metzli Mar 1 2004, 03:07 AM

clap2.gif Yay!!! anyways.. wacko.gif yawn.gif













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: Moremi Mar 1 2004, 05:04 AM

Can't say what I would have done, stuff like that just doesn't' happen to me tongue.gif That was a good thing though. Now if only more people would apply that principle to other areas of their life, maybe we would be better off. Can you imagine someone saying, "Oh no, I can't accept that promotion, Tyrone is better qualified." Or, "Why aren't you promoting Shaniqua instead, she's a hard worker and has been with this company longer." rolleyes.gif ... and so many other things. The fact is a lot of people enjoy and accept the privileges that come to them and would rather convince themselves that they deserve it and it's their right than not to accept it.

: Grimer 54 Mar 6 2004, 06:10 PM

This is off topic:

I noticed alot of people apoligizng for rambling. I think that rambling is great! Even though it sometimes gets a bit confusing, especially when its just the written word, Ive found that rambling and ranting are vital to expressing a point. When your thoughts go right into words, you're writing what you really feel, unedited, no second-thoughts, and I like that. Something true about it.

So heres to rambling, and a great thread! Cheers!

: nerve Mar 6 2004, 08:44 PM

QUOTE (Grimer 54 @ Mar 7 2004, 02:10 AM)
This is off topic:

I noticed alot of people apoligizng for rambling. I think that rambling is great! Even though it sometimes gets a bit confusing, especially when its just the written word, Ive found that rambling and ranting are vital to expressing a point. When your thoughts go right into words, you're writing what you really feel, unedited, no second-thoughts, and I like that. Something true about it.

So heres to rambling, and a great thread! Cheers!

no.

: CUJO Mar 12 2004, 06:14 PM

sorry if im ignorant, but what does KKK stand for?? "killing korny... kofals...?"

: Casbah Mar 12 2004, 06:20 PM

ku klux klan

: RATMROXMYSOX Mar 12 2004, 06:46 PM

i am damn proud to be a mutt! lol it's funny though--no one can ever tell my ethnicity which is mostly asian and black. they all think i'm either hawaiian or chinese or something other than what i am...but of course that's not who i am...ok digressing sorry....so yeah, being prous of your race is not a crime, but thinking that you are better than people becuz of this is wrong---evil, really. ok i dunno if that was brought up cuz i really didn't feel like reading all these damned posts lol j/k... rolleyes.gif

: Grimer 54 Mar 12 2004, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE (Grimer 54 @ Mar 7 2004, 02:10 AM)
This is off topic:

I noticed alot of people apoligizng for rambling. I think that rambling is great! Even though it sometimes gets a bit confusing, especially when its just the written word, Ive found that rambling and ranting are vital to expressing a point. When your thoughts go right into words, you're writing what you really feel, unedited, no second-thoughts, and I like that. Something true about it.

So heres to rambling, and a great thread! Cheers!



no.


You're right, one word answers are alot more informative. Thanks for your input.

: Black_n_red_flag Mar 20 2004, 02:50 AM

If I said I was proud to be white....









I'd be lying tbh I really could care what goes over the top of me as long as I say the same underneath, (sorry sounds like a bit of a cliche) but being proud is fine but when you think your better because you that race is when things start to go abit iffy unsure.gif . I'm quater welsh but no blood involded cos my family moved there and moved back, but my sirname "SIRET" is quite common in le france, but tere is a river "Siret" running through Ukraine and Romania and I would love to be from either of those countries grin.gif , especailly romania.

Now I AM sorry about ramballing cos this is pretty crapply writen.

: GuitarCrazyo Oct 29 2009, 05:59 AM

And trust me, the ones who bitch about seeing corporate logos are not the ones who volunteer for the Pride Committee, and probably dont even throw a toonie in a pail to help pay for the event. Pride is probably the ONLY celebration of its size in the country that is run entirely by volunteers. Other big parades are organized by fully paid staff. Any government funding is a fairly recent phenomenon for Pride.. and still it gets far less than some other events. If the Cons are still at the rudder of the country next year, I can tell you right here and right now that Pride will not get one cent in Federal funding.
Not only is corporate funding necessary, it demonstrates how far gay men and women have come in society that major banks are proud to sponsor our event.
I think a lot of men "of a certain age" look back fondly at small prides of 25 years ago because they themselves were 25 years younger and had waaaay more fun than they do today. Add onto that the fact many of them work for big bad corporations

: Appajexpral Nov 9 2009, 04:30 PM

This was a good thread in the two incarnations weve had since the new board began and i hope for this one to be as good, we just need demerit back in and a few others to rekindle their interest.

Pavel, your input too if youre not too busy.

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