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Jingle
Sep 16 2003, 03:02 PM
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I want to have a debate on the myths and the reality of anarchy.

I am not an anarchist, and i do not beleive that an anarchist would be part of any forum like such. I think anarchy is; Fuck politics, fuck morality, fuck authority, and do what you have to, to supremely reach your goal. I don't beleive we could take out the government with non violence. I beleive the idea of anarchy is not just the destruction of government, i beleive that the point would be to destroy the current society as a whole in order to start things over again. Take things apart and let the latter destroy itself. Not saying it is good or bad.

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Sep 16 2003, 04:27 PM
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Im not an anarchist but I think its better than being exploited by a higher authority.

I would love to see man working side by side with each other, alot of people think to have no government is to have no order so naturally people are gonna think that anarchists want total chaos. This is something that anarchists want to change, it sort-of runs hand and hand with socialism, which i prefer over capitalism.

This is my 2 cents feel free to agree or disagree.

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Sep 16 2003, 04:35 PM
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But the idea of complete equality as a community has never worked. I would love to see it happen, but i beleive it would take hundreds of years of transistion. I think if world wide anarchy occurred that maybe the working side by side could be possible. But the latter effect would kill off many people and leave people to survive and to do so the "community" idea would fit ever so perfectly.

An anarchists supreme goal is to take out the sytem as fast and effectively as possible. What do you think of that!

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Sep 16 2003, 05:12 PM
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Well, the old west was an anarchy....
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Recor S.
Sep 16 2003, 06:02 PM
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I think people's minds are corrupted at home....when they grow up, ideas are implanted in them and that's how racists and the such become that way....so to live in equality....how would we stop racism altogether?....it seems impossible....and of course with anarchy and the removal of the current corrupt government among other things would come rebels that would run against it....so i don't see there ever being change....though something has to for us to survive in peace....
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Sep 16 2003, 08:19 PM
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well lets see i wouldn't call myself a anarchist (im a part of anaarchist group though)

in Montreal there's a little anarcho community, which i stayed at for two weeks. it was a really good experience and time spent.

anarchy isn't all about fuck this, bomb this.....its all about producing for youself. not consuming consuming consuming consuming. people always say "ah it will just be total choas etc" well its not, its all about people comign together helping out etc. anarchist are the smartest people around, and so nice.

when i stayed there everyone helps each other, if i need a tomatoe someone would help me out, then i give them my veggie burger etc. no one is better then you, no one is walkign all over you cause they have more money.

the cool thing about that community is there is no money. NO MONEY. i lived two weeks with no money. didn't have to worry about anything, and if you needed veggie burgers you go steal them. people grew there own vegetables shit like that.

total freedom, it was one of the best experieces of my life!


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Lunke
Sep 16 2003, 11:21 PM
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Anarchy is, from my point of view, a great idea but it would never work in large scale
It would only work in smaller communities. Anrachy is a utopia, still there are better
alternatives

And another thing which sortof bothers me, have you ever thought about that
alot of kids which call themselfs anarchist mix it up with socialism or vice versa.
I mean socialism is about as far left as you can be while anarchy is an extrem form of liberalism, far right in other words...


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Sep 17 2003, 02:02 AM
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some will agree with anarchy, some will disagree,
some will want something else,

it will be a long time before humans are able to co-exist
together without conflict,
there will be hundreds or thousands of years of death and destruction
before we finally relise that in order to survive we must
forget about race/religion/sex/ etc, and do what is best for
us and the enviroment.

the only problem is, is that everyone has different views and
they always will.
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zapatista
Sep 17 2003, 02:46 AM
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Take a look at this site... There is so much to read you might loose your mind... but it's worth it...

My thouhts on Anarchism are this.... the IDEA is very, very good. Who wouldn't want to live in a world without oppression. People working side by side as brother and sisters.. instead of doing everything they can to get ahead. Sounds perfect to me... but I don't think It could ever work in real life.. not on the large scale that is. I mean.. come on.. you see the people out there.. It's nuts.. I don't think 99% of people would be capible of living in a state of Anachy.

Notes on Anarchism - Noam Chomsky <--- Nice Chomsky piece. smile.gif


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Sep 17 2003, 04:11 AM
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QUOTE (Jingle @ Sep 16 2003, 11:02 PM)
Hey wavenew.gif

I want to have a debate on the myths and the reality of anarchy.

  I am not an anarchist, and i do not beleive that an anarchist would be part of any forum like such.   I think anarchy is; Fuck politics, fuck morality, fuck authority, and do what you have to, to supremely reach your goal.  I don't beleive we could take out the government with non violence.  I beleive the idea of anarchy is not just the destruction of government, i beleive that the point would be to destroy the current society as a whole in order to start things over again.  Take things apart and let the latter destroy itself.  Not saying it is good or bad.

Let's go i want to debate...productively  wavenew.gif

-J

i'm, err, sorry you feel that way. i'm an anarchist, but I believe that is a good way for society to be... like, seriously ,if you wanna rob a bank, you rob a bank. that's why banks get robbed. if you kill a man, you kill him, that's why people die, (i mean, if they removed penalties for killing people, does that mean people would go rampage and start killing everyone?) DESPITE our "ordered society". people who really ARE going to do something don't care for the laws, therefore they're useless, since they don't hold back the crimes.

problem is, anarchy cannot be implemented without the people BELIEVING IN IT... which is annoying =P

i think the WORD anarchy comes from a greek (?) word meaning "no ruler" ... er.. anarchos, i think, with ARCHOS being ruler and AN being a prefix.. meaning sorta like "no" or "nothing" ... or sumthin.. Blargh



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Sep 17 2003, 08:46 AM
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I have always thought that given the Sheep like tendencies of the vast majority of the "general population" and the fact that through out history the "weak" have always followed the strong, Anarchy would just end up as Feudalism... with lots and lots of little "fiefdoms" spread out all over. One person will always be able to portray her or himself as stronger and get the terrified masses to follow them. We are pack animals after all, look how so many people follow political leaders

Just my take on anarchy… maybe I am just too pessimistic

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Sep 17 2003, 09:09 AM
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Anarchy is like Communism. Both sound good on paper, but unfortunately they will never work out in reality. As long as the human race exist there will never be worldwide peace or equality. And besides if Anarchy ruled the world, there would be no decent hospital care and no internet site to debate this in.
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Sep 17 2003, 10:23 AM
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Zapatista honey, I wanted to read your links but they're not working... fucking anarchy!
Actually I believe total control is real anarchy. Kind of like trying to hold the orbiting earth in one place ~ anarchy!



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.. and of course: fucking the heart break brigade until one truely learns to find the antichrist of one's own soul

no ones ever wanted to pay me shit.... oh yea they figure if i'm making money i should tell them all how because if i'm making money anyone should be able to do it... but otherwise if i go to them for opportunities.. they'd prefer i kiss their ass for nothing... or if i'm lucky i get to suck their dick!

these documents have been unsealed until 2069 in order to provide faith in fucking nothing dipshits
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Radisshu
Sep 17 2003, 10:51 AM
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QUOTE (nothing @ Sep 17 2003, 05:09 PM)
Anarchy is like Communism. Both sound good on paper, but unfortunately they will never work out in reality. As long as the human race exist there will never be worldwide peace or equality. And besides if Anarchy ruled the world, there would be no decent hospital care and no internet site to debate this in.

why? anarchy means "no ruler", not "no society"
it's socialism, but without a state to control you...
that doesn't automaticly remove things such as hospitals, schools, etc...


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Sep 17 2003, 11:51 AM
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QUOTE (Radisshu @ Sep 17 2003, 06:51 PM)
why? anarchy means "no ruler", not "no society"
it's socialism, but without a state to control you...
that doesn't automaticly remove things such as hospitals, schools, etc...

Anarchy is NOT socialism, but without a state. The state is almost everything in
socialism, if remove it you do not get anrchism.
Socialism and anarchy is as diffrent as black and white


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