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post Apr 16 2004, 11:32 PM
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Well, thats a harsh word. I'm just defending my actions. All of this was a reaction to a member that hasn't been by in a while, Rage man Leca. He would constantly bash any member that mentioned meat.


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post Apr 17 2004, 12:44 PM
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plants don't have a conscience so dont know what going on and certainly they cant feel pain.


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post Apr 18 2004, 01:38 AM
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post Apr 18 2004, 10:12 AM
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post Apr 18 2004, 10:45 AM
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QUOTE (Banksy @ Apr 17 2004, 01:44 PM)
plants don't have a conscience so dont know what going on and certainly they cant feel pain.

But they're alive, correct?

Does a fish have a conscience?


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post Apr 18 2004, 07:30 PM
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^ good point


and ok, ppl that dont eat animals for moral reasons believe that animals feel pain and plants dont, not all animals feel pain? mussels dont, yet ppl that refuse to eat meat refuse to eat mussels too, so yeah.. unsure.gif


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post Apr 18 2004, 09:41 PM
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QUOTE (Underground @ Mar 15 2004, 02:32 AM)
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I don't think plants feel pain. I don't think they have the intellectual capacity to mind pain even if they did feel it. Plants do have some sensory perception but I think it's alright to eat them.


How about people in a coma or no intellectuall capacity? Animals with nervous disorders that don't feel? Are they as "lowly" as a plant?

that logic is prety spurios.
even a person in a comatose means so much more to their family and friends etc than a plant. that is why we would kill a plant over a human.

cosmic, are you going to respond to this?


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post Apr 18 2004, 09:57 PM
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i'm not speaking for cosmic here, but the point was all is a living thing, so i dont understand how some ppl claim it immoral to eat meat but ok to eat plants. ppl came with the argument that plants have no conscious, so cosmic came up with that example.

the point of the thread was not to say that we'd rather kill animals over plants, or kill a person over a plant. of course if one has to choose who to kill, they wouldnt kill a person to eat...or kill the person to save the plant...


it's not about that.


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post Apr 18 2004, 10:00 PM
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what else can you eat if you cant eat anything made from a plant or an animal?

dirt? unsure.gif eww, but one time i had some dirt that was pretty tastey shifty.gif tongue.gif


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post Apr 18 2004, 10:15 PM
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why is everyone missing the point...


the point is, i cant see why it's more valid to eat plants over animals.


we need to eat to survive.


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post Apr 19 2004, 09:58 AM
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QUOTE (cosmic @ Apr 18 2004, 06:45 PM)
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plants don't have a conscience so dont know what going on and certainly they cant feel pain.

But they're alive, correct?

Does a fish have a conscience?

yeah good point. but personally i dont think a fish has a conscience and if it does its not large enough to remember things or feel real pain. anyway the food chain says we eat both plants and animals but i think its wrong to have battery hens and how some animals are killed it has been said by scientists that some animals can sense that they are going to be killed on the way to the slaughter place. weird.


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post Apr 19 2004, 10:21 AM
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QUOTE (Underground @ Apr 18 2004, 10:41 PM)
QUOTE (Underground @ Mar 15 2004, 02:32 AM)
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I don't think plants feel pain. I don't think they have the intellectual capacity to mind pain even if they did feel it. Plants do have some sensory perception but I think it's alright to eat them.


How about people in a coma or no intellectuall capacity? Animals with nervous disorders that don't feel? Are they as "lowly" as a plant?

that logic is prety spurios.
even a person in a comatose means so much more to their family and friends etc than a plant. that is why we would kill a plant over a human.

cosmic, are you going to respond to this?

that's besides the point. Family is easily removed from the fact of the matter.

Ok, by your example...What if they had no family? Nobody cared or loved them?


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post Apr 19 2004, 10:39 AM
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I think pain is a give and take between entities. Hurt a lettuce head, have a salad. Hook afish, have stuffed trout, shoot one of four deer hearts have a venison steak.

I bet the first man a cave man killed was a vegetarian. And then he ate him.
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post Apr 20 2004, 12:46 AM
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Plants do not have a central nervous system so I believe it would be highly unlikely (although nobody can say for certain) that plants would not feel pain.
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post Apr 20 2004, 06:24 AM
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^yep, been though that. Read previous posts.


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