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post Mar 9 2004, 03:44 PM
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"what do people think about the fact that Zack screams out stuff like;
Mother fucker!!! that is not terribly nice...."

I get what your saying...and the fact that i didnt get it at first makes me wonder why not. The terms origins...who can say?It does sound sexist, though i know most dont take it that way now, its a neutral word, as said. Interesting point.

Nice article, and all power to them, it'll be a struggle though...eeeeeverybody loves snoop, and 50... rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 9 2004, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE (nerve @ Mar 9 2004, 07:36 PM)
QUOTE (Moremi @ Mar 9 2004, 11:35 PM)
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dont cry about it, its all n fun

If that's how you see it, "fun", then you're an even bigger jerk than I originally thought.

start a thread to bann me if you want

Were you not banned before? You came back to the board apologizing but you obviously didn't learn from your past. Anyway, whatever the situation, the mods are already aware of your history and the racist things you have said. If they want to keep you around that's their decision. But do me a favor and go fly a kite rolleyes.gif

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post Mar 9 2004, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE (Moremi @ Mar 9 2004, 11:46 PM)
But do me a favor and [edited].

there's no place in this forum for that kind of language

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post Mar 9 2004, 03:49 PM
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QUOTE (Martyr @ Mar 9 2004, 07:44 PM)
"what do people think about the fact that Zack screams out stuff like;
Mother fucker!!! that is not terribly nice...."

I get what your saying...and the fact that i didnt get it at first makes me wonder why not. The terms origins...who can say?It does sound sexist, though i know most dont take it that way now, its a neutral word, as said. Interesting point.

Nice article, and all power to them, it'll be a struggle though...eeeeeverybody loves snoop, and 50... rolleyes.gif

Thanks for bringing this back on topic.

If it's neutral, then it can't be a sexist word. And if it was even seen that way, I doubt Zack would have used it, given that he's spoken out on such issues huh.gif


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post Mar 9 2004, 03:59 PM
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QUOTE (nerve @ Mar 9 2004, 10:34 PM)
QUOTE (rage baby @ Mar 9 2004, 10:29 PM)
father fuckers

it sounds stupid

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post Mar 10 2004, 07:12 AM
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How could we have forgotten that this is a music forum?


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post Mar 20 2004, 02:56 PM
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when he says it in Killing, I'd say that the term could be coined to all the rape's that police officers commit.
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post Mar 20 2004, 05:49 PM
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QUOTE (nerve @ Mar 9 2004, 10:57 PM)
He use to sing about murdereing n shit, then he's all like the black community needs to unite. I'm like shut the fuck up you stupid idiot.

if you think tlike that, you must obviously not know how a human learns of love.


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post Apr 18 2004, 02:01 AM
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ok as a longtime rap fan, im going to say how I feel about this. I dont think that it is right to say things like whats between your legs is the product, all he is referring to is prostitution. I wish that rappers talked about meaningful things in their raps, but that time period has long since passed mainstream rap. Thats what were talking about here, cause no one here would probably give two shits about what some underground rapper was saying about women.

Im just going to get to the point. Like I said I dont like them referring to women like this, but I in no way want to see them censored for their lyrics. Ive heard way worse in Rap, Films, and books. A quarter of the book the Godfather was about some woman getting suregery to shrink the size of her vagina so that she could please herself and men better. Not to mention the repeated mentioning of women "banged" in the casinos, on the west coast during this book. This is just as bad, but people dont want to censor this because its literature, and respected literature at that.

Rap is urban literature, its a new form of expression, and to censor that would be a terrible thing.

But like I said, I wish they wouldnt refer to women in those types of light.


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post Apr 18 2004, 10:05 AM
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I don't see it as censorship...artists like Nelly, 50 and Snoop are played everyday, all day on the radio. And this stance that these girls have taken, probably won't change that. If anyone is being censored, it's underground artists and those with a positive and uplifting message. People like Talib, KRS, Public Enemy, dead prez and so many others are hardly every played on the radio. Why is that? There needs to be a balance. When you constantly send out a negative message on the radio all day...every day ... and on television (BET and MTV) it effects the way people think and behave. I see it in my community. Ninety percent of the time it's black women being degraded and disrespected in those videos and songs. And then young girls...young adults even...want to emmulate that. It's a destructive message and it's hurting the black community on so many levels.

Now I'm not saying that artists like 50 should be banned but when that's all you hear on the radio... and positive rappers get no play...you have to ask why are people feeding this garbage to young minds and then denying them something that could be inspirational and life changing? It's just wrong.

Many Italians were offended by the Godfather and shows like the Sopranos which portray them as gangsters and I think they were correct to protest it because the portrayal of Italians in American cinema has been racist and unbalanced. I can't say it's worse though...I'm not going to get into that "my struggles are harder than your struggles" type of discussion. All I know is, all of it is hurtful and when young people who are still developing their values are bombarded with it..it has the potential to be very destructive. When are we going to learn from our history?
Hindsight is supposed to be 20/20 ... when we look back at blackface...blaxploitation...and all the other forums of entertainment that were hurtful to us...I'm sure many will agree it shouldn't have happened. Well, hopefully it won't take thirty years for us to realize this shit is wrong too.


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post Apr 22 2004, 02:12 PM
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"Game is the topic/ And what's between your legs is the product/ Use it properly/ And you'll make dollars bitch," from Ja Rule's Bitch Betta Have My Money"
ugh...
i dunno what to say... theres so much wrong with this i dont where to begin.


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post Apr 22 2004, 04:06 PM
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Dude Moremi i didnt see this response till no so Im sorry it is like way late. So sorry.

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If anyone is being censored, it's underground artists and those with a positive and uplifting message. People like Talib, KRS, Public Enemy, dead prez and so many others are hardly every played on the radio. Why is that?


I dont think I would call that censorship at all. Thats just people not wanting to listen to their music. I think if people bought their albums they would get more airplay. Sure maybe radio stations could play them more to make people want to buy the albums, but I think thats a stretch when youre talking about censorship.

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Now I'm not saying that artists like 50 should be banned but when that's all you hear on the radio... and positive rappers get no play...you have to ask why are people feeding this garbage to young minds and then denying them something that could be inspirational and life changing? It's just wrong.


Well Kids shouldnt belistening to this type of music, but there is pretty much no way to stop that. I dont wantto see it or hear it my rap, but I also dont want rappers to stop saying it because they were told not to. Id rather see them realize what they are saying and how a lot of their fans are very impressionable, and take the first step themselves toward cleaning up the content of their material.

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Many Italians were offended by the Godfather and shows like the Sopranos which portray them as gangsters and I think they were correct to protest it because  the portrayal of Italians in American cinema has been racist and unbalanced.


Well, thats not what I was referring to when I referenced the Godfather, I was talking about the way that women are treated in the book. People only notice and speak out about the negatives in entertainment. Hardly do you ever hear about how well some ethnicity was portrayed even though there are films that do portray groups without the common hollywood/mass media stereotypes.

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Well, hopefully it won't take thirty years for us to realize this shit is wrong too.


I think its all about the mainstream artists realizing that what they signed up for when they became a star was to be a role model because young people are very impressionable. But yeah I hope so too, i just dont want it forced on individuals.


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post Apr 22 2004, 09:07 PM
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QUOTE (BholteRage @ Apr 22 2004, 08:06 PM)
I dont think I would call that censorship at all. Thats just people not wanting to listen to their music. I think if people bought their albums they would get more airplay. Sure maybe radio stations could play them more to make people want to buy the albums, but I think thats a stretch when youre talking about censorship.

Airplay is apart of the exposure that helps artists sell records. There are artists who are able to sell records with very little or no radio support and they still aren't played on the radio. If you can crack the top 40 without any support (some even do better than that) why isn't radio taking notice? Then you have artists that have a history of selling records and mean a lot to the genre but they release something new and are hardly given a chance, such as Public Enemy. P.E was censored for saying "free Mumia". So what about the artists who say more than that? What do you think happens to their music? But this doesn't just effect rap, there are several artists from the 80's that complained that record companies and radio suddenly decided they didn't want to have anything to do with musicians from that era. So many of them just disappeared. If you don't see it on television or hear it on the radio, how will know what's out there? Most people won't even download something new unless you've given them a reason too.

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Well Kids shouldnt belistening to this type of music, but there is pretty much no way to stop that. I dont wantto see it or hear it my rap, but I also dont want rappers to stop saying it because they were told not to. Id rather see them realize what they are saying and how a lot of their fans are very impressionable, and take the first step themselves toward cleaning up the content of their material.

How are rappers going to "clean up their content" if the people they are offending don't voice their opinion. Someone has to tell them to stop and that it's hurting our community. Sharing your concerns and forcing someone to stop doing what they want to do are two compeletly different things. Something has to invoke their conscience. Change doesn't happen magically. Also, if MTV and radio didn't want kids to listen to the music, they would limit it to hours where most kids wouldn't be able to hear it. But the fact is they want young people to watch it and listen to it - after all teenagers and young adults are some of the biggest consumers of it. Which makes it even more dispicable to me. I don't see very many people, who look like they're over 20, in the audience of 106 and Park and TRL. And then you have adults making a living by selling garbage to kids. It's just sick really.

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Well, thats not what I was referring to when I referenced the Godfather, I was talking about the way that women are treated in the book. People only notice and speak out about the negatives in entertainment. Hardly do you ever hear about how well some ethnicity was portrayed even though there are films that do portray groups without the common hollywood/mass media stereotypes.

What you or I may see as an acceptable portrayal of an ethnic group, may not be acceptable or positive to that group. People just need to be more sensitive to the concerns of those who are different from them, listen more and when something wrong is pointed out to you, stop trying to justify it. Too many people don't care because it keeps them entertained and doesn't threaten what they have been taught to believe about other groups.

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I think its all about the mainstream artists realizing that what they signed up for when they became a star was to be a role model because young people are very impressionable. But yeah I hope so too, i just dont want it forced on individuals.

Unless they are made aware of the damage their message is doing, they're not going to roll over one day and decided to stop. Again, I don't see how anyone is being forced unsure.gif


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post Apr 27 2004, 01:40 PM
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In respond to nerves post.

actually listen to songs like brendas got a baby, changes and do for love.

If you really want to listen to what Tupac Shakur was all about listen to KEEP YOUR HEAD UP and you cant just dismiss him as a idiot. That whole song is about repecting women and how his mother was the most important thing in his childhood and how men should respect women in todays society. Take a listen then maybe you'll stupid judgments will hopefully change if not your just ignorant.

these are the lyrics i know there long but read if you will.

Some say the blacker the berry, the sweeter the juice
I say the darker the flesh then the deeper the roots
I give a holler to my sisters on welfare
Tupac cares, and don't nobody else care
And uhh, I know they like to beat ya down a lot
When you come around the block brothas clown a lot
But please don't cry, dry your eyes, never let up
Forgive but don't forget, girl keep your head up
And when he tells you you ain't nuttin don't believe him
And if he can't learn to love you you should leave him
Cause sista you don't need him
And I ain't tryin to gas ya up, I just call em how I see em
You know it makes me unhappy (what's that)
When brothas make babies, and leave a young mother to be a pappy
And since we all came from a woman
Got our name from a woman and our game from a woman
I wonder why we take from our women
Why we rape our women, do we hate our women?
I think it's time to kill for our women
Time to heal our women, be real to our women
And if we don't we'll have a race of babies
That will hate the ladies, that make the babies
And since a man can't make one
He has no right to tell a woman when and where to create one
So will the real men get up
I know you're fed up ladies, but keep your head up
Chorus
Eeewww child things are gonna get easier
Eeewww child things are gonna get brighter
Eeewww child things are gonna get easier
Eeewww child things are gonna get brighter
Verse Two:

Aiyyo, I remember Marvin Gaye, used to sing ta me
He had me feelin like black was tha thing to be
And suddenly tha ghetto didn't seem so tough
And though we had it rough, we always had enough
I huffed and puffed about my curfew and broke the rules
Ran with the local crew, and had a smoke or two
And I realize momma really paid the price
She nearly gave her life, to raise me right
And all I had ta give her was my pipe dream
Of how I'd rock the mic, and make it to tha bright screen
I'm tryin to make a dollar out of fifteen cents
It's hard to be legit and still pay tha rent
And in the end it seems I'm headin for tha pen
I try and find my friends, but they're blowin in the wind
Last night my buddy lost his whole family
It's gonna take the man in me to conquer this insanity
It seems tha rain'll never let up
I try to keep my head up, and still keep from gettin wet up
You know it's funny when it rains it pours
They got money for wars, but can't feed the poor
Say there ain't no hope for the youth and the truth is
it ain't no hope for tha future
And then they wonder why we crazy
I blame my mother, for turning my brother into a crack baby
We ain't meant to survive, cause it's a setup
And even though you're fed up
Huh, ya got to keep your head up
Chorus
Verse Three:

And uhh
To all the ladies havin babies on they own
I know it's kinda rough and you're feelin all alone
Daddy's long gone and he left you by ya lonesome
Thank the Lord for my kids, even if nobody else want em
Cause I think we can make it, in fact, I'm sure
And if you fall, stand tall and comeback for more
Cause ain't nuttin worse than when your son
wants to kno why his daddy don't love him no mo'
You can't complain you was dealt this
hell of a hand without a man, feelin helpless
Because there's too many things for you to deal with
Dying inside, but outside you're looking fearless
While tears, is rollin down your cheeks
Ya steady hopin things don't all down this week
Cause if it did, you couldn't take it, and don't blame me
I was given this world I didn't make it
And now my son's getten older and older and cold
From havin the world on his shoulders
While the rich kids is drivin Benz
I'm still tryin to hold on to my survivin friends
And it's crazy, it seems it'll never let up, but
please... you got to keep your head up

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post Apr 27 2004, 02:34 PM
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i knew you were a Tupac fan AMARU. I also am a HUGE Tupac fan. Glad to read your post, I hope others will too. Too many people think of Tupac as solely his Thug Life persona and not the caring political man that I respect.

Moremi I didnt see this post until now either, wtf???

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If you can crack the top 40 without any support (some even do better than that) why isn't radio taking notice? Then you have artists that have a history of selling records and mean a lot to the genre but they release something new and are hardly given a chance, such as Public Enemy. P.E was censored for saying "free Mumia". So what about the artists who say more than that? What do you think happens to their music? But this doesn't just effect rap, there are several artists from the 80's that complained that record companies and radio suddenly decided they didn't want to have anything to do with musicians from that era. So many of them just disappeared. If you don't see it on television or hear it on the radio, how will know what's out there? Most people won't even download something new unless you've given them a reason too.


Ok well i see what your saying, and I agree that that is a form of cencorship, even if it is indirect.

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How are rappers going to "clean up their content" if the people they are offending don't voice their opinion. Someone has to tell them to stop and that it's hurting our community. Sharing your concerns and forcing someone to stop doing what they want to do are two compeletly different things.


Yeah thats true, I guess I was just hoping that because people like you and I can see the problems, that maybe they could too. It would be better if they did begin to change their message on their own instead of when someone tells them they should.

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Unless they are made aware of the damage their message is doing, they're not going to roll over one day and decided to stop. Again, I don't see how anyone is being forced


Im just saying that if the FCC continues with their lynching they may be forced to create a better positive message and I would hope, HOPE, they could realize this themselves.

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