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post Feb 25 2004, 12:54 PM
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You're right, you are your culture, being chicano is part of your identity, RageBabe and it does set you apart. Being prideful of your people is important. But my culture is not one race, so being proud of whatever race I may be(have no idea) seems irrelevant when I look to american history and see a multitude of people I look up to. Even though I'm white, I feel closer to Malcolm X than Richard Nixon.
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post Feb 25 2004, 01:13 PM
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Being proud of you’re culture, your country of origin, and the hardships people of the same origin have gone through is a great thing. Through the history of the world influential people have used race to separate and exploit the minority from a group of people, and it's great how the people of minorities use it as a way to unite them selves and strengthen there pride as a people. But to me it seems silly to be proud of your race because to me that’s like being proud of your eye colure or hair color. But I guess it depends on how you describe race.


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post Feb 25 2004, 01:27 PM
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yes but see u cannot seperate ur race from the culture and traditition u see, um they dont exist in abstract...they're not completely seperated...

like when one is proud of being mexican, looking at it as a racial identitiy, one is proud of the mexican ppl, the movents, um the history, the culture u know? so race, i mean ok, race is biological, but us looking different from others also meant that we speak a different language, we have a different belief system and different ways of doing things u know? so they're not completely seperate.

well one should be proud of their eye colour and skin colour, i mean did u read moremi's topic? "what is beautiful"? if we werent proud of who we are as individuals, of the way we look, of our our culture things like whitening cream maynot have been invented...i dont know, that's just what i think blackhair.gif

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post Feb 25 2004, 01:29 PM
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I completely know where you are coming from, BUT, because of those differences in skin shades and hair textures and all of those little thing that we may not think should be a BIG deal.. (especially in the way we are viewed in socitey) But the TRUTH is... because we are Darker or not light enough... those differences have made all the differences. Like yeah if we all had brown eyes... Why be all proud of it?? Well the comparrisson is not the same as Skin Color... People have been enslaved, conquered and such and such.. solely because of their skin color/Race.... the many people that have struggled, have stuggled because of their exterior... also Race/Skin color also goes as deep as your culture... Why, why were all the Aztecs and MExicas taken over their land?? The Spaniard saw them as uncivilized and inferior... Why were sooo Many Africans Enslaved??.... The oppression of these people is because of their Race.. and the color of their skin... Like who gave the White Man the right to take over?? I mean yeah.. they thought it would their Divine Right to do so.. but is it right???
Like, what am I saying here.. hmm.gif.. yeah all this bad stuff happened and it happened because of those Biological differences, that's why it doesn't make sense to compare skin color to eye color.... Okay.. I am rambling again.. I will write back when I get more in my head.. wacko.gif


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post Feb 25 2004, 01:32 PM
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QUOTE (Sarah @ Feb 25 2004, 01:27 PM)
ps. RAGE BABE ur topic is hot like fire laugh.gif wavenew.gif

Awww... Thanks embar.gif wavenew.gif Hi Sarah!!


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post Feb 25 2004, 01:36 PM
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heya! smile2.gif

^ that's so true, all thruout history, ppl of darker colour were viewed as inferior, so yeah one should be proud of their race and their skin colour (and the eye colour that comes with it laugh.gif ) i think our pride in our race is important coz u need a sense of awareness of who u r, acceptence and pride and like i said before these things are important coz they preserve the culture, and with us being proud of our colours, i think that's the way to stop racist fucks from opressing minorities u know, like when one is proud, one is strong and one can fight for their rights, which is what those organizations r doing.


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post Feb 25 2004, 01:44 PM
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Oh So true Sarah!!! clap2.gif


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post Feb 25 2004, 05:21 PM
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but us looking different from others also meant that we speak a different language, we have a different belief system and different ways of doing things u know?


Well I see where your coming from, this isn't always true an Asian person who is raised by a Western family may not speak a different language or have different ways of doing things people just assume these thing's because of his/her race.

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well one should be proud of their eye colour and skin colour, i mean did u read moremi's topic? "what is beautiful"? if we werent proud of who we are as individuals, of the way we look, of our our culture things like whitening cream maynot have been invented...i dont know, that's just what i think


No sorry I haven't read that post yet. I'm proud of whom I am and my culture, and although I'm very confident in my appearance (some times maybe to much) I still don't see why I should be proud of what I look like, is how I look really important?

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People have been enslaved, conquered and such and such.. solely because of their skin color/Race.


People have been enslaved, conquered and persecuted for many reasons. Jewish people have been persecuted for centuries, and not at all of them, by far, have been Middle Eastern. But they should still be proud of their people for over coming these unthinkable crimes against them. I know this doesn't counter the argument above.
But I think that pride in ones heritage is more important then pride in ones skin colour. (And the eye colour that it may come with it laugh.gif )

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yeah all this bad stuff happened and it happened because of those Biological differences


That depends on where you believe racism started from, an interesting theory is that the Europeans came up with the idea of them being superior to men of different colour, simply so that they could dehumanize Africans allowing them to enslave these people with out any one questioning it. Allowing them free labour to inflate there economy. (“Doing it this way made America the richest country in the world” –Bowling for Columbine.) But no one knows for sure.

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i think our pride in our race is important coz u need a sense of awareness of who u r, acceptence and pride and like i said before these things are important coz they preserve the culture, and with us being proud of our colours, i think that's the way to stop racist fucks from opressing minorities u know, like when one is proud, one is strong and one can fight for their rights, which is what those organizations r doing.


Replace race with heritage and Colours with roots. And I 100% agree with you.

It took me a while to type this and figure out how to say what I thought about each argument and now as I finish I'm starting to think that you might be right. That people should be proud of there skin colour because that is what was and is used to set them a part, but that’s only true for non-white people. So how could a white person ever be proud of there skin colour............................
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post Feb 26 2004, 01:05 AM
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yes but an asian person being adopted by white ppl isnt a pattern u know? i was generally speaking, generally race is not completely seperate from culture, alot of cultures have specific ethinic groups associated with it...

i guess it is different if u were white, because white wasnt really opressed like the coloured have? even the jews that were opressed, they werent opressed coz they were white or their colours didnt fit in u know? it was solely coz they were jews, even if really they look european. it's different thu when u have brown and black ppl being looked at as inferior, being told that they are inferior, being enslaved because they r darker u know? and so this is where the sense of pride of one's colour comes in, coz then i can stand up and say i am brown and i am proud of it and i am not inferior to u...u see what we're saying here?

in the ideal world, what u look like and what colour us skin is shouldnt matter, but in the world today? yes it matters ALOT what u look like and what colour ur skin is...it's just the way it is, like ppl previously pointed out, if we werent opressed for being of a different colour, these organizations rage-babe mentions wouldnt find the need to be around, notions of pride in ones colours wont be there, coz hey we're all equal, but r we truely equal? no not in today's world, and this is where us standing up for ourselves comes in.

white ppl are proud of their looks arent they? dunno.gif

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post Feb 26 2004, 01:43 AM
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white ppl are proud of their looks arent they?


maybe it's that because i live in a totally homogeneous society and i rarely meet people of other races, but i've never thought bout being proud of my skin color.
it is how it is. in first place i think that im polish, not white. i dont feel "closer" to anybody just because he or she is white. you know, brown, white, asian or black american is still american to me. but yes i feel closer to people when i know they're polish.


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post Feb 26 2004, 02:18 AM
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well some people don't take "PRIDE" in being Americans, I have a really good Native "american" Friend that will NOT consider herself as an American... She doesn't feel that "pride" Why????????? Because, like The Indigenous peoples of southern Mexico.. the Tribes On "American" land Suffered GReatly as well.. ... what was I saying?? Okay.. well yeah.. My friends Ancestors have been on this piece of land, My ancestors were on this piece of land and yet it was strippen from them.. ayayayay What am I eveb Saying wacko.gif



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post Feb 26 2004, 02:21 AM
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Oh yeah.. here it goes.. just cause we're here doesn't mean that we should AGREE with the actions taken by the "nation"... This is starting to be about NAtions.. well We we're talking about Race and Skin Color, and well... yawn.gif


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post Feb 26 2004, 11:05 AM
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but in the world today? yes it matters ALOT what u look like and what colour ur skin is


I think this is dependent on where you live. It does make a difference in almost all places but here in Canada it doesn't matter as much, at least that’s what I find. I mean there are a few morons out there who believe that people of other races are inferior, but normally people don't even notice. But here we don't really have white suburbs or ghettos, either due to be great social programs and welfare system we have, (For now at least, knocking on wood) or maybe due to the fact we abolished slavery some 31 years earlier then America. (These are reasons I’m proud to be Canadian, but I still feel no connection and certainly no pride towards others of my own skin color.) But then again the native reserves are predominantly of lower price housing and is the group most targeted against by discrimination here (I find). Perhaps people are still using race subconsciously as they theoretically did before this time as a away to dehumanize a people so they don’t feel a responsibility to help them out of their situation and better there lives.

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Do you mean are they proud of their skin color or there looks?
Because really if you mean looks no one can answer that question because your grouping people by they’re skin color and we are all individuals. Do you see how grouping people by their skin color, for positive or negative reasons, can get complicated?

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but yes i feel closer to people when i know they're polish.


Right, I to feel closer to people who are Scottish or Canadian, but this goes back to heritage and culture not skin color.

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well some people don't take "PRIDE" in being Americans, I have a really good Native "american" Friend that will NOT consider herself as an American


This goes back to heritage because American heritage isn't her heritage right.

(Ancestors that was the word I was looking for earlier,
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Replace race with heritage and Colours with roots. And I 100% agree with you.

Now replace roots with ancestors. Ha how confusing is that!!)


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post Feb 28 2004, 11:55 PM
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Ok ok a race is not just colours, someone's race is their biological traits that distinguishes them from other ppl. There's more variation within the race itself than between races, but nonetheless ur race gives u a look, and a skin colour and a hair texture that makes u different from other ppl, in ur physical appearance and in ur tolerance to certain substances and all of that?

So im brown, im proud of being brown (as a colour) and as a look, I look brown, my eyes look not very European, my nose looks different, my hair is thick my hair is dark, so race here "brown" doesn’t just refer to colour, u can also use it to refer to ur ethnic identity

Being white means having a lighter skin, and even thu europeans dont look all alike (coz no race looks all alike) there r general traits that makes them look different from other ethnic groups.

I assume that because im proud of my looks and my colour because they make me who I am physically and I appreciate it, I assume that because i am proud of being who i am, and of what my ppl have acheived, i assume others are proud too.

meh i hope i didnt ramble too much


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post Feb 29 2004, 01:34 AM
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meh i hope i didnt ramble too much


No that was perfact.


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