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Sara
post Jul 29 2003, 01:58 AM
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QUOTE (dreamer997 @ Jul 29 2003, 07:38 PM)
Plants are very sensitive to influences, and they can get diseaces. So they must feel pain but then in a plant kind of way and not in a human kind of way



well we don't know how they feel, so we cannot tell if what they're feeling is human or not, and also, i'm not sure if it matters, i mean, does it make much difference to know that what they're feeling is not the same pain we feel, eventhough it is still pain?


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post Jul 29 2003, 04:57 AM
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All i know is if plants feel...oh no! I slaughter plants every day...by the thousands...maybe millions when i mow my lawn...oh crap..and I went hiking and trampled at least 25 miles of plants.. oh no! and I'm eating carrots right now! ohno.gif


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post Jul 29 2003, 06:14 AM
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QUOTE (dreamer997 @ Jul 29 2003, 02:38 AM)
I don't believe that plants feel pain how we experiance it, because the don't have any nerves.

But they must feel something.

Plants are very sensitive to influences, and they can get diseaces. So they must feel pain but then in a plant kind of way and not in a human kind of way


You understand. Or me make no sense??? unsure.gif

That's exactly how I see it but it's hard to put in words.


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post Jul 29 2003, 06:24 AM
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I still feel bad for my pot. laugh.gif
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post Jul 29 2003, 06:45 AM
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Your pot wants to be smoked. It would feel useless if you didn't do it. wink.gif


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post Jul 29 2003, 06:48 AM
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QUOTE (ZDLRfan @ Jul 29 2003, 02:45 PM)
Your pot wants to be smoked. It would feel useless if you didn't do it. wink.gif

Thank you ZDLRFan. Your support is always welcome. laugh.gif

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post Jul 29 2003, 03:32 PM
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Hey! book.gif That's pot mf_bookread.gif



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post Jul 30 2003, 06:03 AM
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QUOTE (Lpldbloom @ Jul 29 2003, 02:24 PM)
I still feel bad for my pot. laugh.gif

Well Lpldbloom, I don't think you really have to worry about your pot... I mean if you think about it.. buy the time you get it... it's been dried and stored. So I'm thinking It's dead already. That is of course... assuming your not just pickin stright from the plant.. wink.gif


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post Jul 30 2003, 06:08 AM
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QUOTE (zapatista @ Jul 30 2003, 02:03 PM)
QUOTE (Lpldbloom @ Jul 29 2003, 02:24 PM)
I still feel bad for my pot. laugh.gif

Well Lpldbloom, I don't think you really have to worry about your pot... I mean if you think about it.. buy the time you get it... it's been dried and stored. So I'm thinking It's dead already. That is of course... assuming your not just pickin stright from the plant.. wink.gif

It's like a proper Viking funeral for the poor plant. laugh.gif
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post Jul 30 2003, 07:50 PM
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QUOTE (zapatista @ Jul 30 2003, 01:57 AM)
All i know is if plants feel...oh no! I slaughter plants every day...by the thousands...maybe millions when i mow my lawn...oh crap..and I went hiking and trampled at least 25 miles of plants.. oh no! and I'm eating carrots right now! ohno.gif

sad.gif cry.gif


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post Jul 30 2003, 08:20 PM
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I don't think plants feel pain. I don't think they have the intellectual capacity to mind pain even if they did feel it. Plants do have some sensory perception but I think it's alright to eat them.

I've been a vegitarian 9.5 years and don't think I'll ever go Vegan. I don't eat much dairy because I don't think its a very natural adult human diet.

I have no problem ranking organisms by their sentience.

- If somebody drops a fern and someone else drops a puppy out of a 1st story window and I only have time to catch one I would try to save the puppy.

- If someone dropped two kittens out of a 1st story window and a baby out of another window and I can only catch one I would try to catch the baby.

- If someone dropped a baby out of one window and a full grown comatose man mental vegetable type guy out of another window I would try to save the baby, because, hell, I ain't tryin to catch no full grown man dropped outa no 1st story window.

Anyway, I'm cool with ignoring the screams of my tomato when it's salad time.



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post Jul 30 2003, 08:49 PM
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I don't think plants feel pain. I don't think they have the intellectual capacity to mind pain even if they did feel it. Plants do have some sensory perception but I think it's alright to eat them.


How about people in a coma or no intellectuall capacity? Animals with nervous disorders that don't feel? Are they as "lowly" as a plant?


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post Jul 30 2003, 10:31 PM
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I don't personally view plants as lowly. Plants are part of the great everything and have tremendous value.

An animal with a neurological disorder that can't feel pain still would have its performance greatly impeeded by removing a part of it, and the resulting bleeding could obviously be life threatening.

A person in a coma has had a life, and by extension, family and/or friends who will be affected by that person's continued well being. Further, a person in a coma even if they've lost sensory perception has a chance for a meaningful recovery.

A plant that gets disected was not about to paint a picture, deliver an oration on social justice or even snuggle up to anyone and start purring. The beauty of a plant lies within it's interaction with the animal kingdom and the atmosphere. The ability to nourish, medicinal properties, oxygen production, aesthetics, etc.



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post Jul 30 2003, 10:52 PM
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Nice Reply. smile.gif


Bleeding has nothing to do with pain. Plants bleed various liquids. There's a fuzzyness in the organisms have the right to live and don't. I believe all organisms have the right to live, plants and animals, but both are vulnerable to be eaten by other organisms.

I've wondered, is being vegetarian/vegan only an urban thing?


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post Jul 30 2003, 11:11 PM
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For me it's

- an attempt to minimize my intake of Persistent Bioaccumulative Toxins thing.
- a refusal to give bastards like McDonald's corp, YUM brands, ConAgra, ADM, et al. any of my money type thing.
- a hopefulness that mankind can eventually see the wisdom in not changing the Earth's climate thing.



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