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post Jun 12 2003, 01:24 PM
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QUOTE (revolutionusa @ Jun 12 2003, 05:56 PM)
I think religion will always be argued about. I've said my piece on it. You're born, you live, you're buried. It doesn't get any more complicated than that people.

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post Jun 12 2003, 01:34 PM
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I find that hard to believe in.


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post Jun 13 2003, 02:49 PM
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QUOTE (ZDLRfan @ Jun 12 2003, 05:28 AM)
There was nothing offensive there, to you.
But that post can also be interpreted this way: "Accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and your Savior or you're going to hell." Am I wrong?

So then what are you saying about the Muslims, Jews, Buddhist, etc. ? unsure.gif

I never said anything about force. Those are your words.

The thread was created in a forum where I am a mod. That's why I read it.

You don't know what I do or don't understand and you don't know what my religious beliefs are or if I have any because I have not shared that information with you and I won't because it's none of your freaking business. What I will tell you, is that my family and friends are made up various religious groups. My mom is a Christian. My dad is a Muslim. You don't know the scope of my religious tolerance! I don't have hatred for any religion. I believe there are many paths to God and as long as you treat people the way you want to be treated, you're cool with me. I won't force my beliefs on you.

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He wasn't being judgemental by any means, so just relax..


Of course he was. You should visit the links area and read his posts again.

No one said being a Christian was wrong or a evil thing. But the fact is, saying someone is not saved or calling people sinners, is insulting to some people. Maybe you don't see that because the only religion you know is Christianity. Anyway, I've said my peace. God bless you also. wavenew.gif

Naw, your not wrong about accepting Jesus Christ.. Thats what I believe in.. But, the tone your using and the way YOU put it.. Makes it come off as offensive..

I'm not saying anything about Muslims, Jews, and Buddhist.. You brought it up.. laugh.gif And you didn't use the word force.. But, you basically said you hate when people try to push their religious beliefs on u.. And thats basically saying the same thing.. just different wording.. Just like proudAmerican didn't say "Accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and your Savior or you're going to hell." Now, he probably meant that.. lol.. but, just didn't use them exact words...

Just because your a mod don't mean you have to make some rude comments like that... And as for the "you don't know what my religious beliefs are or if I have any because I have not shared that information with you and I won't because it's none of your freaking business.".. I know your not a christian.. wink.gif Personally i don't care what u believe.. thats not the point I'm tryin to make... So, your mom's a christian, your dad is muslim, and your lost I'm guessing?!?!! smile.gif

YOU find his posts judgemental.. not me... "No one said being a Christian was wrong or a evil thing." I didn't say that either.. I said comments made about proudAmerican's post were offensive... And trust me Christianity isn't the only religion I know.. wink.gif
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post Jun 13 2003, 03:00 PM
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QUOTE (SilverTongue @ Jun 12 2003, 11:28 AM)
I have genuinly strong feelings about the issue. I mean, an Orthadox priest threatened tATu live on a talk show with eternal damnation and hellfire! Such fanatical insanity pisses me off. I'm not saying your like this, as you seem moderate. I probably have been generalising too much between fanatics and moderates. But you can see why I am pretty strongly against religion, as I want equal rights and acceptance for all.


Man, thats an Orthadox priest though.. Different religions go about things in different ways.. ya know???
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post Jun 13 2003, 07:24 PM
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QUOTE (TheShootingStar @ Jun 13 2003, 06:49 PM)
Naw, your not wrong about accepting Jesus Christ..  Thats what I believe in..  But, the tone your using and the way YOU put it..  Makes it come off as offensive..


Then don't post spam.

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I'm not saying anything about Muslims, Jews, and Buddhist.. You brought it up.. lol


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And you didn't use the word force.. But, you basically said you hate when people try to push their religious beliefs on u.. And thats basically saying the same thing.. just different wording.. Just like proudAmerican didn't say "Accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and your Savior or you're going to hell." Now, he probably meant that.. lol.. but, just didn't use them exact words..


If you come to someone's home univited to discuss religion and show up again and again, that's trying to force your religious beliefs on that person. I was refering to those kind of experiences I've had. proudAmerican wasn't forcing his beliefs but his approach is just as annoying. He can post as much religious propaganda as he wants, as long as he leaves it in the right place.

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Just because your a mod don't mean you have to make some rude comments like that...And as for the "you don't know what my religious beliefs are or if I have any because I have not shared that information with you and I won't because it's none of your freaking business.".. I know your not a christian.. wink.gif


So now you know me? Care to explain?

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Personally i don't care what u believe..


Because you've concluded I couldn't possibly be a Christian therefore my beliefs don't matter?

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thats not the point I'm tryin to make... So, your mom's a christian, your dad is muslim, and your lost I'm guessing?!?!! smile.gif


I'm lost because my parents are of a different faith? And you have the nerve to discuss racism? Did it ever occur to you that my parents are of a different religion because they are also of diffirent cultures? You sound like a fucking bigot.


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YOU find his posts judgemental.. not me... "No one said being a Christian was wrong or a evil thing." I didn't say that either.. I said comments made about proudAmerican's post were offensive... And trust me Christianity isn't the only religion I know.. wink.gif


Then you should understand why proudAmerican's post offended people and why it got the response it did. But you don't because you obviously don't have that level of understanding wavenew.gif


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post Jun 13 2003, 07:39 PM
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Where we go from there is a choice I leave to you.


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post Jun 14 2003, 04:28 AM
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Things are getting a bit nasty and heated here! ohno.gif I'll have to agree with ZDLRfan though. But man, I really don't want this! sad.gif But I gotta point something out.

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Man, thats an Orthadox priest though.. Different religions go about things in different ways.. ya know???


Yeah, but this Orthodox priest follows Christianity. You yourself are Christian. So they aren't really different religions. But clearly, with Anglican, Protestants, Catholics, Mormons and Jehova's Witnesses type Christians, the religion of Christianity itself is divided and disputed about which one is right. God help trying to find out which religion is right, let alone which type of each religion is right! With all these divisions and disputes, it is clear to me that Christianity and religion is seriously flawed.


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"Anyone who doesn't regret the passing of the Soviet Union has no heart. Anyone who wants it restored has no brains" - Vladimir Putin.

"Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise"
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post Jun 14 2003, 06:55 AM
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so i think....
a lot of problems would get solved if catholic priests were allowed to marry and have sex and all that good stuff....otherwise people go crazy and do crazy shit.

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post Jun 14 2003, 06:59 AM
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i also think......
it really doesn't matter what you believe in the long run. if you're a decent person then you have nothing to worry about. i don't think all non-christians are gonna burn in hell when they die cuz that's just stupid. shiiit, i dunno what's gonna happen when i die dunno.gif but that's just fine with me.

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post Jun 14 2003, 07:41 AM
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QUOTE (ozorage @ Jun 14 2003, 10:55 AM)
so i think....
a lot of problems would get solved if catholic priests were allowed to marry and have sex and all that good stuff....otherwise people go crazy and do crazy shit.

doh.gif

Just my opinion but I don't think Catholic priests become pedophiles, I think pedophiles become Catholic priests. It gives them the power and opportunity to indulge in that behavior. So no, I don't think that would solve anything. I'm sure there are plenty of priests that have sex with women rather than molest children.


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post Jun 14 2003, 07:42 AM
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QUOTE (ozorage @ Jun 14 2003, 10:59 AM)
i also think......
it really doesn't matter what you believe in the long run. if you're a decent person then you have nothing to worry about. i don't think all non-christians are gonna burn in hell when they die cuz that's just stupid. shiiit, i dunno what's gonna happen when i die dunno.gif but that's just fine with me.

wavenew.gif

I agree.

There is a story about Mohandas Gandhi that comes to mind. When India was fighting for its independence from Britain, the battles between Hindus and Muslims left many orphans on both sides. A Hindu man came to Gandhi and asked him what should be done about the Muslim children and Gandhi replied that they should raise them as their parents would have -- raise them as Muslims.

I think that is the epitome of peace and religious tolerance. If only everyone had that heart, I think we all would be better off. I doubt Gandhi went to hell because he was Hindu rolleyes.gif


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post Jun 14 2003, 08:21 AM
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Oh man, I can't TAKE IT NO MORE !!! zmat2.gif ZDLRfan, what's up with your avatar? I love cats so much, and seeing that kitten looking desperate, and trapped in a cage is getting me down! Is it a form of protests against animal testing? If it is, then that's a good reason, as it shows the cruelty. But man, it's very sad.


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"Many people say it is insane to resist the system, but actually, it is insane not to"
- Mumia Abu Jamal.


"The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic" - Joseph Stalin.

"We need a new system of values, a system of the organic unity between mankind and nature, and the ethic of global responsibility" - Mikhail Gorbachev.

"Anyone who doesn't regret the passing of the Soviet Union has no heart. Anyone who wants it restored has no brains" - Vladimir Putin.

"Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise"
- Adolf Hitler.

"My object in life is to dethrone God and destroy capitalism" - Karl Marx.

"One of the basic conditions for the victory of socialism is the arming of the workers and the disarming of the bourgeoisie" - Vladimir Ilich Lenin.
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post Jun 14 2003, 10:36 AM
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QUOTE (SilverTongue @ Jun 14 2003, 12:21 PM)
Oh man, I can't TAKE IT NO MORE !!! zmat2.gif ZDLRfan, what's up with your avatar? I love cats so much, and seeing that kitten looking desperate, and trapped in a cage is getting me down! Is it a form of protests against animal testing? If it is, then that's a good reason, as it shows the cruelty. But man, it's very sad.

It's not about animal testing, although if you want to look at it that way, that's fine. Around this time of year there are a lot of strays brought into animal shelters, especially kittens and many of them are put down. They literally take them out in barrels sad.gif That's why I have "spay and neuter" there. If only more pet owners were responsible and people adopted from shelters rather than buying from kennels or pet stores the situation wouldn't be as bad sad.gif


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post Jun 14 2003, 11:09 AM
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Ah yes, another good reason. Yes, it is awful that you get dumbass people buy a kitten thinking "awww, so cute", but don't realise the care involved, and then either drown them, or send them to death row. zmat2.gif bang.gif

I still don't get your "spay and neuter" message, do you mean that cats, as pets, should be spayed so that there isn't breeding of more kittens than people want? If so, I agree.


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"Many people say it is insane to resist the system, but actually, it is insane not to"
- Mumia Abu Jamal.


"The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic" - Joseph Stalin.

"We need a new system of values, a system of the organic unity between mankind and nature, and the ethic of global responsibility" - Mikhail Gorbachev.

"Anyone who doesn't regret the passing of the Soviet Union has no heart. Anyone who wants it restored has no brains" - Vladimir Putin.

"Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise"
- Adolf Hitler.

"My object in life is to dethrone God and destroy capitalism" - Karl Marx.

"One of the basic conditions for the victory of socialism is the arming of the workers and the disarming of the bourgeoisie" - Vladimir Ilich Lenin.
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post Jun 14 2003, 11:20 AM
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^Yes, that's what I am saying. smile.gif Too many people don't spay and neuter and allow their animals to roam and breed. The animal popluation here is out of control sad.gif


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