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Would you rather have Rage Against the Machine come back together, or would you rather have the government that you like best to come into play?
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Mar 22 2005, 10:00 AM
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Mar 22 2005, 10:01 AM
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QUOTE(Fred @ Mar 22 2005, 09:42 AM)
i am really really shocked by this tread. you pepole must have it good if you prefer a rock band to a goverment.

1 billion pepole have no clean water depending on which way the votes go in the indian parliment over the next couple fo days hiv drugs could jump for 15 euro's a months to naerly 250 euro's a month. a death centace for many pepole.

i agree i would kill rage for the perfect goverment. Lifes not a fucking game. I would die for it.

god knows how many pepole die from amleria each day which is profetable. eminge a 747 crashing every day and your closes.

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Dude, there isn't "perfect" anything.


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Fred
Mar 22 2005, 10:43 AM
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maby not but lets not disscuss philoshpy when pepole are dying from maleria i mean for fuck sake maleria this is pepole like me and you.


this is important stuff. not like and i like ratm to a sodding rock band. cant you all see the great diffrence in these things.

this has saverly shacken my confidence in hummanity

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Mar 22 2005, 01:03 PM
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dude your perfect government isn't going to create every medecine and save everyone. your perfect government is what you want, but is possible. I think that alot of you think if you were in charge every thing could be cured and everyone could have a house the size of Bill Gates, but that's not going to happen. You need to understand you won't have control of everyones mind and all the scientific junk. You just sort out how money works and whether there's gay marriages and abortions or not and all that good jazz. You won't get a bunch of money to spend on every good cause, either. The world is screwed up, but if anyone here had there perfect government, I think you're thinking everything would be settled in every way. Sorry to break your heart.
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Mar 22 2005, 03:12 PM
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with all due respect,

i know money i have a degree in eccnomics.

in india now there is a debate going on weather to band the copy cat drugs for aids this will raise the drug prices from 20 dollars a head to 325 dollars a head per month.

dude i dont even know where to anser this post, it really makes me sick that you could concider that a fucking rock band is more important then stopping us poresser on india to ban these drugs.

dont think i am stupid, a lot can be done. it really must be done.

gay marrages and abosions well maby the whole world is not the fucking usa ok sorry if i am losing my temper he but it is really pissing me off.

look i am not going to dissus what my perfect goverment is here if you want to dissus such things as import tax intrest rates cost accounteting currency exchange and inferstrucur building i am happy to ablige. but if you gyes think that your fariout band getting back together is more important that nationalation of drug companys you need a huge dose of relalty.

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p.s sorry for losing my cool but gyes its a fucking rock group it dosnt matter

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Mar 22 2005, 08:37 PM
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I wasn't saying that it was! I think I would rather have my perfect government ideal thing, however, that wouldn't make everyone happy, and I do want to make people happiest. I know I said I wanted Rage back, but I would rather have my government, but the thing is I want people happy. You think you know how to make everyone happy. You will always have the rebels and everything. I respect what you think, but nothing can be perfect is all I'm trying to say. And I would also like to apologize for losing my cool. I try to keep cool. I think it's just that we have different views of what government can do. You see, at heart I'm an Anarchist, however I know in reality it can't work, so therefore I'm a democratic socialist. I don't like government, and even though I know it could be better, even I will never be completely satisfied, even with mine, because I want to cure the dying and stop everything that's not right, however, that would be mind control or whatever, and I don't want to do that. I don't want humans to be puppets. But for the record I do think government is more important than a rock band. Don't get me wrong. Have a good day, Fred, I'm glad you've joined the ZDLR.net community, you seem like a smart guy who knows what he believes and is ready to preach it. You stay cool.
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Mar 23 2005, 09:33 AM
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ok then whats your views the prefect goverment

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Mar 23 2005, 03:14 PM
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any body want to put there money where there mouth is?

i think most pepole know my idears.

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Mar 23 2005, 09:59 PM
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Rage Head, just to point out, sicne you say nobody's idea of a perfect governemtn could make every happy; that's true, but also one big part of what politics is is the structure of the system, and democracy (which I advocate, though a very different version than what we have here) is a structure that allows participation from the masses, thus the most favorable solutions for the people are more likely to come about. But also like I said before, which you seemed to agree with, I really don't care if soem peopel aren't "happy" with the system, as long as it is a just system. Soem people might not be "happy" with it, because it itneferes with their agenda or in the case of the upper classes, their economic interests, or the power of the ruling powers; however, their "unhappiness" in these cases means very little to me, sicne there are much more important issues, like the essential resources being available to all the people (that includes not just basic things like food, homes, and thigns of that nature, but also thigns like healthcare, education, other forms of information, decent means of moving about, and thigns like that), getting rid of poverty, getting rid of inequality, getting rid of imperialism, etc. Those are much more improtant to me than whether somebody is "unhappy" because their illegitimate wealth and power is threatened, or because the people aren't bound by their form of religion, or their form of political system. I really don't care if they are happy with it or not.
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Mar 24 2005, 08:24 PM
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Well you don't care if they're happy or not, but you do want the best for them. Technically, I think there are some politicians out there like that, but I probably don't like them. I'd just be a hypocrite, so I don't like to take charge, I just like to complain grin.gif . jk, but seriously, I don't really care about myself most of the time, but that the homeless get taken care of and what not, mostly. I try to help the homeless as much as possible. I once got a collection of money from my church and bought like 120 burgers from McDonalds and just gave them to homeless people. I just want everyone to feel the warmth of love or warmth of being cared for. I guess you could make everyone happy if you secretly killed all the unhappy people. I don't know where I was going, but I'll put this all down anyways
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Apr 18 2005, 11:33 AM
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what ever your perfect goverment is and may i remind you we have the poltics forum to dissus my point is that one rock band getting back together is so utterly insnificent that it is unthinkable that it coulod seriously be comparered.

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May 7 2005, 04:01 PM
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The perfect government is no government at all.

Stupidest thread ever. Would I rather have RATM get back together or have a perfect US? Wow, totally hard decision. rolleyes.gif


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May 13 2005, 12:45 PM
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I would rather have the perfect government . I would love for RATM to get back together but at least I can still listen to their cds in a utopian society right??
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May 18 2005, 10:01 AM
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If All My Dreams Came Truue....Then Rage Would Have Gotten Back Together YEARS Ago...


FUCK THE GOVERNMENT, I HATE ALL THE POLITICAL PARTYS...
(exept the greenparty...sometimes)

The greenparty, If elected, Would solve so many problems, and these solutions would last for years and years, but the other partys.....would just have solutions which last for 4years!, how fucked up...


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May 18 2005, 03:46 PM
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Okay. I have to agree with Fred up there, a little. Although "it won't make everyone happy," does that mean that a rock band will? Does that mean that Socialism won't make people as happy as having a rock band that would rather take the road of a "perfect government?"

I think not.

I don't think any of the RATM members would choose their reunion over a "perfect government," and I think it's insane to think that huge progress (though not total progress) is not as good as piece-by-piece progress.


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