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post Apr 1 2003, 09:54 PM
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post Apr 1 2003, 10:12 PM
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QUOTE (Manifest @ Apr 2 2003, 05:37 AM)
Ok for my sociology class we are debting whether it is right or not to do what China did and set a one child limit by sterilizing unemployed single mothers who are a burden to society becuase they have no jobs, reley on walfare, and for the fact that most do not raise their children right. do you guys think its right?




( ^ just a hypothetical situation)

NO, HELL NO
we're no fuckin nazis, who only wanted the "right" people to breed.. are we?


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post Apr 2 2003, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE (Manifest @ Apr 1 2003, 10:37 PM)
Ok for my sociology class we are debting whether it is right or not to do what China did and set a one child limit by sterilizing unemployed single mothers who are a burden to society becuase they have no jobs, reley on walfare, and for the fact that most do not raise their children right. do you guys think its right?




( ^ just a hypothetical situation)

Hmm, I've always been on the fence when it comes to China's one child limit.

In one way, it's great because it reduces the population, controls growth, and prevents people with little or no resources from having loads of children, like they usually do. Plus, it makes families put more focus on their children.

But, it's also absolutely not right to sterilize anyone against their will.

I guess, the issue would be, what's more important, controlling the population or our freedom to procreate?


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post Apr 2 2003, 09:00 PM
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I guess, the issue would be, what's more important, controlling the population or our freedom to procreate?



Right, overpopulation is greatly underrated as of now, but it's earth's greatest disaster in the making. The world will simply not be able to support the vast rise in population in the next 50 years. At best, we can slow down procreation and up the level of food production, but that will only dent the impending problem. Managing procreation is a tough dilemma, which many have stuffed under the rug. China has done drastic measures for drastic times, which seems is the only way.


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post Apr 3 2003, 12:54 AM
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QUOTE (cosmic @ Apr 3 2003, 06:00 PM)
China has done drastic measures for drastic times, which seems is the only way.


that's scary...


ok, it's a woman's fundemental right to bear children, so no one has the right to take that away from her.


also, has it actually worked? women that give birth to a child that happens to be a girl may ,and this has happened before, place the baby in the garbage, or leave it on the street, so yeah, im not sure if that was the original purpose of the plan.


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post Apr 3 2003, 12:38 PM
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did yak now that every (well, not EVERY, but 90% or sumthin) average family in china wants to have their own car.. but if all average families in china HAD cars, the pollution would be so enourmus that it would ruin, well, a lot of stuff.


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post Apr 3 2003, 07:02 PM
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QUOTE (Radisshu @ Apr 4 2003, 09:38 AM)
did yak now that every (well, not EVERY, but 90% or sumthin) average family in china wants to have their own car.. but if all average families in china HAD cars, the pollution would be so enourmus that it would ruin, well, a lot of stuff.

and that relates to this topic because....?


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post Apr 5 2003, 11:56 AM
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nothing, really. why?
just odd facts. delete if you want to.
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post Apr 5 2003, 05:58 PM
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but what about ppl in some other countries. they might be forced into having abortions, even partial birth ones?


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post Apr 6 2003, 01:34 AM
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...
"other countries"? there aren't just americans in this forum, y'know.


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post Apr 6 2003, 03:36 AM
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QUOTE (Radisshu @ Apr 6 2003, 08:56 AM)
nothing, really. why?
just odd facts. delete if you want to.
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post Apr 6 2003, 09:40 AM
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......................
what?
i *am* odd.


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post Apr 6 2003, 06:38 PM
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Ok, getting back to the subject, kind of. ermm.gif
As far as China goes, they do have a serious over population there. Greater then I think we can appreciate. And cosmic made a good point about China taking extream measures, they have to take extream measures at this point. I can understand the need for a one child limit there, my problem is, that from things I have read. These ideals are being carried out in such a way that they are cruel and inhumane.

Maybe Euthanasia?
Any body have views on that?


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post Apr 8 2003, 07:58 AM
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hm... well, i say sterilization is wrong... but if they have the "limit" thingie or sumthin, ok, it sounds scary, but if the country is almost exploding with too many people, y'know..


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post Apr 8 2003, 08:54 AM
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I think I read somewhere that mothers who have over two babies in China are sometimes forced into having abortions. Sometimes, they're even forced to have partial birth abortions.

It's a scary thing, but desperate situations call for desperate measures.


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