is this really DVD quality? or did somebody just take the MPEG-1 files and burn them to a DVD? cuz the files i have from the show sure as hell are not DVD quality... theyre 375x288... which is about half DVD resolution...

There is no official 'Battle of Dusseldorf' DVD..if you own one, it was bootlegged from video files.

when you make vids available for the internet you have to compress them or else it would be around 12 gigs for uncompressed DV footage per hour of footage. But i havent seen that DVD.

yea... i meant like DVD MPEG-2 or something, not raw footage
but i was just wondering because i have seen the battle of dusseldorf dvd for sale on ebay, and some bootleg traders pages say that they have a dvd of the show. so i was just wondering if its actually dvd quality (i.e. 704x480, or 720x576 for PAL) or if it was just a DVD authored using the same MPEG-1 files i have...

what im saying is that there is a chance that some person who got the DVD may have ripped it and lowered the frame size/resolution to shrink the file size for easier downloads. Thats all.

Hi!
when you mean this DVD: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt...=ADME:B:LC:DE:1
with this menu: http://mitglied.lycos.de/gkgraffiti/menu2.jpg
i can haelp you!
I'm the Author of this DVD. I recorded the concert on german TV with a DVB-s Video Card. Without new encoding i use the MPEG-2 files for the DVD.
The MPEG-2 file has this details:

Num. of picture read: 102259
Stream type: MPEG-2 MP@ML VBR
Resolution: 720*576
Aspect ratio: 4:3 Generic
Framerate: 25.00
Nom. bitrate: 7594000 Bit/Sec
VBV buffer size: 91
Constrained param. flag: No
Chroma format: 4:2:0
DCT precision: 8
Pic. structure: Frame
Field topfirst: Yes
DCT type: Field
Quantscale: Nonlinear
Scan type: Alternate
Frame type: Interlaced

so you can see this is real DVD quality. It's the same quality like battle of mexico.

bet flavorflavs answer was 30 times better than you thought you would get from that question!


Very cool Flav! i love hearing that stuff.

hey flav did you burn the DVD in PAL? i saw the frame rate is 25 fps and the frame size isnt standard NTSC, i would be worried about getting a DVD i couldnt play because of the format difference.

that's right. i'm located in Germany and here we uses the PAL-standart. Hmm but when you played it on PC it works fine. By the way: the most PAL-DVD-Player can read NTSC-formated discs without any problems. can't your player read PAL?

as far as i know most US NTSC based DVD players dont play PAL DVD's but ive never had to check honestly. Its a bunch of crap that we are on NTSC anyways.

And it should work fine on the PC because PC's can basically play either version as long as its a file format. Ive worked with PAL before on my PC and never had problems - but tapes in PAL never work here. ill have to find out bout that DVD player thing.

Wow! So you actually recorded RATM at this concert FlavorFlav!?! That's awsome!!

Yep..

either way "the battle of dusseldorf" sounds funny

hmm in german it sounds very funny, too
because in real it don't called "Dusseldorf". on the picture ( http://mitglied.lycos.de/gkgraffiti/menu2.jpg ) you can see over the "u" are 2 points. It's a letter, which isn't in the english language.
and in german Dusseldorf sounds very funny because in german is:
Dussel=boo-boo, duffer
dorf=village
-> in german now it sounds like "the battle of duffer-village"

yea maybe. seems like pretty much all rage stuff is in PAL MPEG-1... except for one short little thing that i have which is in SVCD i believe... weird.
thanks for the great answer, flavorflav. and Holter i think DVD players can play PAL and NTSC if they have some thing called multisync (i think thats what its called... multisomething anyway). i dont really get NTSC though... PAL is higher res. so i dunno why we're wasting our time with this crap... oh well...

btw does anyone know where i could get my hands on a highres DVDrip of this??

PAL is only slightly higher res. The main difference is the frame rate. NTSC is 30 frames per second or 29.97 while PAL is 25 frames per second. The resolution is only slightly better on PAL. Film is 24 frames per second, which is why all HD footage is shot at that frame rate, and called 24p.

Im not sure about that DVD thing...ill have to look that up.

i want this DVD. give it to me now.