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BrinDaN0iZe
-Bear with me I got a theory here...I know It was Zack who put out the press release after they broke up and all; but in an interview with Saul Williams who's a long time friend of Zack; Williams said this:

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ME: Now you mentioned Zack De La Rocha.  I always thought you would have made an interesting addition to Rage Against the Machine after he left.  You sample a bit of Rage too on “Om Nia Merican”.  What are your thoughts on RATM and would you have ever considered joining the band when they had an open slot?

SAUL:  :laughter:  well uhm…well uhm, first of all, I was friends with Zack before that whole thing happened and so I didn’t really think it was cool.  So no, I wouldn’t’ have done it.  You know, I didn’t think it was cool the way that it happened really.  Yeah so that’s basically it.  


-WHy would he say that??? that's been buggin me for a while. Why say that because zack's his friend he didnt like the way it happened...Saul's implying that it was the other members who did or said something that precipitated the breakup.....thoughts? am i just crazy?...if it was zack who fucked the other guys over like it seems to all of us...then y would Wlliams say that; what does he know...

aaaanyway..just tryig to spark some discourse on this new board....here's the rest of the interview where Zack is mentioned:

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"SMOTHER:You're on that Blackalicious track [“Release”]; so let’s start with that; how'd you hook up with the Quannum crew?

SAUL: That came about primarily thru management. They contacted my manager, we met and it was just perfect.  We met in the studio one day while they were recording at Mario Caldato’s house, which is a famous place to record made famous by the Beastie Boys.  I went there, and me and Zack De La Rocha were there on the same day.  I’ve known Zack for a little while, so we all just had a nice day just chillin’, talking and they played me the music of the song that they were thinking of.  They gave me a copy of it, let me take it home for a night and I brought it back the next day with words put on it. And now I’m touring with them and it’s really cool.

SMOTHER:It’s a great song, it’s got 3 different “movements” almost.

SAUL:  Exactly

SMOTHER:That song for me personally, it somehow brings images of 9-11

SAUL: It’s crazy, I wrote it way before 9-11 but yeah; I do say; “I can think of nothing heavier than an airplane…no stronger conglomerate of steel and metal” something like that…

SMOTHER:Freaky right?

SAUL: :laughter:  Yeah it’s a strange thing.  That happens, it happens to a lot us when we’re writing, the connections are there to be made and when we make them it makes things a bit more understandable in a sense.  But yeah I do see the connection.

SMOTHER: Now you mentioned Zack De La Rocha.  I always thought you would have made an interesting addition to Rage Against the Machine after he left.  You sample a bit of Rage too on “Om Nia Merican”.  What are your thoughts on RATM and would you have ever considered joining the band when they had an open slot?

SAUL:  :laughter:  well uhm…well uhm, first of all, I was friends with Zack before that whole thing happened and so I didn’t really think it was cool.  So no, I wouldn’t’ have done it.  You know, I didn’t think it was cool the way that it happened really.  Yeah so that’s basically it.  You know that song “Om Nia Merican” was supposed to be a song to do with Zack.  Zack was busy doing some other stuff the day that I wanted to record the song and I didn’t want to postpone it anymore.  And I had this epiphany of just sampling this sound from Rage’s from that song “Born of a Broken Man” and did it that way; and it worked out beautifully.

SMOTHER: Let’s go with that line of thought as far as Rock.  I’m sure everybody always asks you about Hip-Hop; but what are your thoughts on modern Rock n Roll or Rock music:

SAUL: Well I think that there’s a few interesting things happening.  I think the most interesting stuff is with Radiohead because they’re so connected emotionally and intuitively to the sounds that they’re creating.  

I think that we’re about to redefine it. I think Hip-hop is about to redefine Rock N Roll by connecting it to its past which is the blues; which is connecting it to the African American experience.  I find it interesting that like, it seems as if slowly but surely…I’ve been spending sometime in the Midwest now.  I’m in St Luis, before this I was in Madison, before that I was in Milwaukee and I had some days off in those towns.  I was checking out the vibe and going to concerts.  And I was like wow, it’s real...it’s crazy.  White people are in a sense taking over hip-hop; and you know what; and I’m not, I don’t say that in an angry way at all.  and I was like wow, I think they’re substituting the poverty and oppression; with guilt and depression.  and I look at a lot of the African American cutting edge artists that r doing stuff right now.  From like Mos to Outkast; and all of those artists are picking up instruments.

SMOTHER:yeah, you’re right I never thought of it that way.

SAUL: Yeah, we’re all picking up instruments and all of our sounds are getting closer to rock.  Seems like more of them are dropping their instruments :laughter: getting closer to Hip-Hop.  It’s a weird musical chairs :laughter: “musical chairs” literally, that’s going on. And it’s crazy because I said that about the substitution that was taking place and I was like; you know what? I think that’s a valid substitution.  I think that it might actually work, because from listening to these groups I was like yo; these cats are dope.  I was listening to these rap groups there and I was like, yo there’s some that I saw that there was some originality…of purpose, of what they were doing, the beats were wicked, know what I’m saying, they were coming with something..."
TruthAddict
I can see why you feel this way, I've thought about this too. But I don't think Zack was kicked out but he may have been forced out in a way. Maybe the other three were moving in a different direction musically or things became unbearable and he had to leave. Or maybe they just grew apart. There have been statements made by other artists that have made me question this too. The comment from Bono about the difficulty of keeping a band together, when he dedicated a song to Zack and Billy Corgan in New York. Then when Zack was a surprise guest at a Roni Size concert last year he was introduced as a new addition to Roni Size. I forget the exact words. But when Roni Size spoke about that in interview he said something along the lines of Zack being an artist without a band. Well, if he left to go solo, why does is seem like acquaintances of his are alluding to other reasons for his departure? Then in a recent interview Tim said that before Zack left they talked about whether they would continue the same way or move forward and empower themselves. I don't have access to any of the interviews here, so I'm paraphrasing. But all of this made me believe that there is a lot more to this story that hasn't been discussed and that Zack didn't just abandoned RATM.
Renegades
nah he didn't. cool.gif
Defiant One
I'm assuming we all grew to respect the music rage put out with thir four albums. The style didn't really evolutionize, and their overall sound remained constant - which I liked. However for this reason, Zack left. He said no musical risks were being taken so he needed a change. If their sound brought all those fans I see no reason why it should have changed? If Zack was really into it, Rage would have remained doing what they do best until they could do it no longer. I guess we have to wait and see what he replaces the rage dynasty with.
Moremi
The reasons Zack gave for leaving RATM sounded rational and fair to me. They were very unhappy and even Tom said he thought about leaving because the chemistry was so bad. So no one can really say RATM would have continued if Zack stayed. Also, I have no respect for musicians who write songs just to sell records. If it has no meaning to you and your heart is not in it but you do for a check that kind of makes you a whore in my book. I think Zack would be happier selling less records as long as he was creating good music that had meaning to him.
Renegades
... come audioslave
Moremi
QUOTE (Renegades @ Dec 17 2002, 04:53 PM)
... come audioslave

Yay. How exciting mellow.gif
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