this is a chat thread so that people can talk and keep all the crap out of the threads and keep them on topic.

so if people want to talk or say anything to each other do it here.

yeah I would chat (I just don't like to talk to you)

Whoa Tearz...That was a zinger!

zing zang .. kinda like a ying yang, but with more zest.

something happens and I'm head over heels.!

stop being such a pussy! what you can spew all this shit in pm yet wont talk in a thread designed for this type of stuff you sit in a corner and try to hide. i still think you should go play in traffic

what up ratm long time no see.

You see (my dear) all this nonsense spewing hatred misogeny and calling people names like that doesn't fly (p*$$y f*66ot etc?) that's why, guess what?

Unless you're eager join the Jerry Springer show

Or get a major @$$ whooping courtesy of yours truly . . (I warn you now I'm a pretty good boxer, real good, actually) <--- me <---you

You might want to take your punk @$$ and try before you get a real


Fair warning, (I do not need to communicate with lower life forms who resort to pathetic name calling tactics )

You are blocked from im'ing me because you mock the blood of Christ, you mock Jesus and you mock me and you name call. Actually, I am still praying for you but honestly, I never want to see hear or speak to you again. I wish you would go away already.

are you asking me out on a date? i mean you want to some how find/meet me and "whoop" my ass. maybe before you should try this, tomorrow you should spend a few hours putting some serious thought about you possibly being gay. im seriously think about it, im sure if you stop hiding behind your bible it will be very clear.

i can assure you that if we met you wouldnt leave walking. ( i warn you that boxers are very easy to deal with, real easy!)

Elisium,
Do I detect some sexual tension?
After all fears is a boxer, he obviously works out.
Most christians aren't gay but I know of a guy who's name is David
who plays straight, but gets so much cock sucking and ass action it's not funny.
Trust no one.

This White Horse walks into a bar, and the Bartender says
"Hey we've got a whiskey here named after you!."
The horse says "What you mean Terrence!."
FISH

Her name is Amanda so that could be taken as "a man, duh". Also do you know Karate because if she is tryingto box you she probably wont expect you to sweeper-kick. That would be so sweet to watch.

A piece of rope walks into a bar and the bartender says, "We don't serve your kind." The rope goes outside, ties himself in a knot and frays one end of himself. He walks back into the bar and the bartender says, "Weren't you just in here?" The rope replies, "No, I'm a frayed knot."

Jokes? oh! ok!
why did the EMO cross the road?


Dosn't matter, no-one would understand anyway!

Wish my yard were emo, so it'd cut itself! :-)

How many cops does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

None, they just beat the room up for being dark.

I got more!

Why do they bury cops 6 feet under? Becuase "Deep down they are good people" !

yeah! waaaaay deep down... somewhere!...maybe!
ur a riot! keep em' comin'!

You've never seen me fight, but the person I fought almost did not survive the fight. . comments?

"You could have killed 'em"

"Toughest kid around"

"Never saw anything like it"

(ever had your head bashed into a brick wall?)

..and more, however, that was in my youth, I wouldn't do it today.

This turned up in my mailbox the other day, I think it belongs to you, though:

jajaja thats funny cause unless you have pics it never happend! you know the drill either post up or shut the fuck up!





lmfao that was my thoughts exactly.

Stay off my account maggots.

Who needs pictures when you have witnesses ..

I know, right? The whole Mormon religion refutes the old intarwebs adage: "Pics or it didn't happen."

Gold plates, angels, magic reading glasses, pre-columbian advanced civilization. Totally happened. Joseph Smith sayed so.

Pre-Columbian advanced civilizations did happen, but not because Joseph Smith (who was a Freemason prior to founding Mormonism) said so, but because the Natives do. Look up the extremely advanced Toltecs and their Calander Stone, for instance.

Fremen Bryan

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America Before Columbus



It may sound a little over the top but it's really no overstatement to say that much in our modern world is based on falsehood and fabrication. We are told, for example, that Columbus 'discovered' America in 1492, yet there is plenty of evidence to suggest that others had visited America before Columbus: including visitors from ancient Egypt, Phoenicia and medieval Europe. Despite this modern authorities continue to push the line that "Columbus discovered America."

In point of fact Columbus himself never even set eyes upon America; the closest he got to the mainland of North America was Puerto Rica. However in the aftermath of Columbus's voyage John Cabot sailed from Bristol, England; which in turn opened the way for the first colony in Jamestown, Virginia and thus allowed the English to claim America as their own. Yet there is considerable evidence that suggests that others from different cultures preceded Cabot and Columbus. So one is forced to ask: why, when there is much to suggest that others from different cultures preceded Columbus, don't we hear more about this possibility being investigated? Could it be that certain powers have a vested interest in keeping our real history under wraps?

Whatever the answer the fact remains that a great deal has been unearthed which is completely at odds with conventional notions regarding the origins of what we know today as America. In fact according to some contemporary authorities, the Native Americans encountered by the early settlers from England were not what they appeared to be. They were indeed native to the Americas but they were not its original inhabitants, who according to various tribal legends, had disappeared eons before in a series of cataclysms.

Of course this is so at odds with the dictates of modern science, history and archaeology that one would expect it to be rejected out of hand, as indeed it has been. This is not so easily done though with a landmark tower in Newport, Rhode Island. Curiously the tower is built in the style of a medieval look out and has been dated back to the fourteenth century. As if to emphasize its antiquity Italian navigator Giovanni de Verrazano recorded the tower whilst mapping the coastline in 1524, marking its location as an existing "Norman Villa". Similar evidence can be found in Westford, Massachusetts, where a rock engraving can be found depicting a figure dressed like fourteenth century knight. Intriguingly the figure carries a shield portraying the emblem of a ship following a single star.

Of course this may simply be dismissed as a modern day hoax but this can't be so easily done with Scotland's Rosslyn Chapel; where clear depictions of ears of corn or maize and aloe cactus, both unknown in medieval Scotland, can be found on some of the archways and ceilings. These stone carvings are an integral part of the Chapel, which was only completed in 1486; that's a full six years before Columbus is said to have embarked on his voyage of discovery. The standard line is that both maize and aloe cactus were only found after Columbus had sailed West. Thus, according to authors Knight and Lamar Rosslyn Chapel amounts to clear . . . "evidence that the men who instructed the masons of Rosslyn Chapel must have visited America at least a quarter of a century before Columbus."

All of which prompts one to ask: if the actual discovery of the America's could have been concealed for so long what more could be hidden? The answer to that, as you shall see, is a whole lot more.

These and other finds are given further credence by the very history of the Knights Templar. And it's a history that adds an even more intriguing twist to the story of discovery of America. The Order of the Knights Templar was originally founded in Jerusalem in 1118, when nine French Knights asked King Baldwin to be allowed to protect pilgrims travelling to the Holy Land. Their request was granted and significantly they were also granted permission to stay in the ruins of Solomon's Temple; for it was here, according to some researchers, that they made discoveries that would ultimately change the very course of history.

Once established in the ruins they began excavations that yielded untold treasures, both in terms of material wealth and even more precious knowledge. It was through this knowledge that the original Templar's obtained an insight that allowed them to question much of orthodox Christianity. An insight through which they recognized that the established Church had misinterpreted much of the original Christian teaching: including the Virgin Birth, the Crucifixion, the Resurrection and reincarnation. According to writer and researcher David Hatcher Childress: "To the Templars, the true church, one that taught mysticism, reincarnation and good works was being suppressed by a dark power that called itself the one true faith."

And just in case you thought that Christianity never taught anything about reincarnation, take note: prior to the Council of Nicaea the idea of reincarnation was an integral part of the Christian faith. That ended however with the first Council of Nicaea in A.D.325. Convened by Emperor Constantine of Rome the Council effectively settled various theological disputes and ratified what was to become Holy Roman Law, the official version of the word of God. In the process the very notion of reincarnation as part of the Christian faith was consigned to the waste bin of history.

Armed with this new knowledge the power and influence of Order of the Knights Templar rapidly increased. By the mid thirteenth century the Order owned about nine thousand castles and manors across Europe. Along with material acquisition came a reputation that left many in Medieval Europe in awe. The Templar's distinctive white surcoat, emblazoned with a red cross, was always seen in the thick of battle; indeed they quickly established a reputation comparable to modern fighting elites such as Britain's SAS, the U.S. Marines and Airborne or Russia's Spetnaz.

More than simply being a political and military power though they also became a force to be reckoned with in the fields of cultural and metaphysical endeavour too. For it was the Templar's who instigated the first stonemasons guilds and introduced new building methods with skills inspired, in part, by what they had learned in Jerusalem. Prior to these European buildings had been built for practicality and defence; generally plain structures with little in the way of inspirational design but that too were about to change. In the space of a few decades, Europe saw the appearance of a string of new churches and cathedrals with high vaulted ceilings, flying buttresses and dazzling stained glass windows. All of which was to lay much of the groundwork for the future Renaissance and the Templar's were very much the driving force behind it.

Yet by then the Templar's power and influence had increased to such an extent that they were seen by Rome as a danger to itself, a challenge to the official word of God. So on Friday, October 13th, 1307 the Church of Rome made its move and at the same time bestowed on Friday 13th the sinister connotations which have remained ever since. With the blessing of Pope Clement V, King Philip of France drew up a list of charges against the Order; falsely accusing them of everything from homosexuality, abortion, necromancy and use of the black arts. On the dawn of Friday 13th his forces seized, interrogated, tortured and burned the captured Templars. Many escaped though, including the Templar Fleet, which sailed to safe haven in Scotland. At the time Scotland was ruled by Robert the Bruce and at odds with England so the Scots readily accepted help from anyone who was willing to offer it. In return the Knights Templar would play a critical role in the Battle of Bannockburn. Just as the Battle hung in balance the Scots, outnumbered two to one by the English, were suddenly reinforced by a contingent of mounted Knights; with long flowing beards and a bold red cross emblazoned on their white tunics the newcomers helped swing the battle in the Scot's favour..

The Templar ships were not anchored for long in Scotland though; a large part of the fleet, consisting of 12 ships and over 300 men, sailed on across the Atlantic to take refuge in America.

America? You may ask, how did they know about America?

Well according to Knight and Lomas, the Masonic authors of The Hiram Key, the original Knights Templar may well have acquired key manuscripts whilst resident in Solomen's Temple in Jerusalem. Amongst them manuscripts from the Mandaean sect which believed that John the Baptist was the true Messiah and that the souls of the good went to a land far across the sea, a wonderful land, a promised land marked by a star called . . . "Merica." Which calls to mind the rock engraving of a medieval knight in Westford, Massachusetts; the engraved knight carries a shield portraying the emblem of a ship following a single shining star.



It is therefore quite possible that while resident in Solomen's Temple the first Templar's found reference to new lands across the sea as well as the name "le Merica." Which in turn led their descendents to its fabled shores. As if to emphasize this recently discovered ruins in Patagonia revealed an ancient pier and docks dressed with stone slabs bearing the Templar cross. Which in turn has prompted some investigators to speculate that the Templar's may have journeyed further south from North America.

Yet even if this was the case, then the Knight's Templar were not the first, not even the first from Christian Europe, to visit America. Long before Columbus is supposed to have discovered the Americas Vikings and early Celtic Christians may well have trod the shores of North America, and before them others even more ancient. The discovery of various Roman coins around the U.S has led some researchers to conclude that America was the final destination for a wave of people who came not as colonists but as refugees. The coins, which have been found largely around the Mississippi-Arkansas-Ohio-Missouri river systems, cover the later periods of Rome and particularly the reigns of Antoninus Pius, Gallienus and Emperor Tetricus. A period of Roman rule that Gibbon describes as a time of "uninterrupted …confusion and calamity." So it's quite possible that these coins were left by what were in effect boat people seeking refuge from a disintegrating Empire.

What's significant here though is the fact that these finds have not strictly been confined to the Mississippi-Arkansas-Ohio-Missouri river systems. Although largely confined to the vicinity of these river systems Roman coins have been found across North America: from Arkansas to Alabama, from Missouri to Oklahoma. Maybe, indicating a wave of refugees? Or, a series of exploratory ventures? Or maybe even both?


True to form modern academia and its various experts have largely ignored these finds or simply brushed them aside as hoaxed. Thus dismissing such tantalising glimpses of the past as an Egyptian-minted Gallenius coin, found in a stream bed by Geology students near Black Mountain, North Carolina. Or the even more fascinating "Rio Grande Tablet." Written in a style current in the Roman colony of Libya around 300AD, the tablet proffers a poignant insight into the past. Inscribed on it is a prayer to the Roman deity Mithras, dated the 6th year of an unnamed Emperor's reign, a prayer that asks for aid and relief for a sick and lost party. Whether deserters or early explorers some researchers have concluded that the Rio Grande Tablet is the work of a lost Libyan detail of the Mithras worshipping Roman army.

The notion that elements from Rome's Carthaginian colony in Libya may have visited America has been further underlined by the Burrow's Cave find. Amongst the thousands of artefacts in the collection is the depiction of a Negroid face carved on a stone tablet in a distinctly Roman style. Predictably it has been virtually ignored by the various authorities. After all the idea that North African's were visiting North America over a thousand years before Columbus challenges much of written history.

So Burrows cave has either been dismissed as a hoax or ignored by modern academia, yet in the words of Ancient American magazine it is the archaeological "discovery of the century." The story of Burrows cave began in 1982 when Russell Burrows was out searching for American civil war artefacts in southern Illinois. Using a common metal-detector he claims to have discovered an underground chamber full of ancient artefacts. Numbering more than seven thousand the artefacts largely consist of stones inscribed with the portraits of ancient Egyptians, Carthaginians, Romans and Hebrews; many of which were inscribed with script resembling Phoenician or ancient Semitic writing. Although many of the relics found in Burrows Cave have been examined Burrows himself has not as yet revealed the exact location of his find, partly because of the derision that greeted his claims. However he has promised to reveal the exact location of the find in the near future and when he does we will update you.

In the meantime though it must be said that if you thought the idea of Knights Templar or even Romans in America was outlandish then we suggest that you take a deep breath. For as we researched this article the evidence emerged which is even more at odds with the conventional notions of American history. For while the ancient Americas may well have played host to many visitors from many different lands there is one in particular who stands out. An individual whose presence in America, if in fact he were there, is likely to shatter many beliefs: historical, cultural, metaphysical and religious.

Across the Americas, north and south, there are oral traditions and stories that are remarkably similar in overall theme. They tell of the coming of a pale man, some even say a white man; known variously as the Dawn God, the Peacemaker, the Pale One and the East Star Man: he was given this latter name because according to some stories he had come across the sea from the east. In other words he had come across what we know today as the Atlantic from either Europe or North Africa.

Whatever he was called though his arrival left a deep impression on those peoples and cultures he visited. Prior to his appearance some tribes in the America's, more particularly in south or Central America, had practised blood sacrifice. The arrival of the Pale One, or Quetzalcoatl, as the Maya knew him, changed that. He taught new rituals and ceremonies some of which remain to this day; such as the smoking of sacred pipes, which for some tribes replaced blood sacrifice.

Apart from having pale skin he was also distinguished from the indigenous Americans by the fact that he was bearded, a facial feature that is unknown amongst Native Americans. Moreover he is said to have dressed completely differently from indigenous Americans, in long flowing robes and sandals

Some tribes called him the Son of the Great Spirit whilst others refer to him as the son of Yod-hey-vah. Sound familiar? Well this latter name was a phonetic pronunciation he taught as was the name he taught the Algonkin of the Great Lakes when they asked his name. He replied that names meant nothing to him; so they then asked what he was named in childhood when he had lived across the waters. That name, which even today they struggle to pronounce was, he told them: Chee-Zoos, God of the Dawn Light.

The parallels between what is written in the Bible and the stories told by various Native American peoples are uncannily similar. For example, the tribes of Oklahoma tell of a man they call the Healer, who chose from amongst the native people twelve disciples. He told them that he was born across the ocean, in a land where all men were bearded. In this land he was born of a virgin on a night when a bright star shone in the heavens. And, as if to celebrate his birth the heavens opened and down came winged beings of great beauty chanting in praise of Chee Zoos, God of the Dawn Light.



Likewise the Dacootah recall the coming of the pale faced Healer. According to them his name remains sacred and during his time with them he taught rites of purification and . . . baptism.

In the same way the Tribes around the Great Lakes speak of the coming of the Prophet; a pale, bearded man who was, according to their tribal elders, the son of the Great Spirit. A Prophet who appeared to them as a white man and who could heal the lame and sick with his touch.

Their medicine men say that: "all that he touched was enchanted with His god-like power of healing."And that . . . "He came alone. He organized the churches, changed the temples, taught the priesthood."

Elsewhere, across the America's there are similar tales and they all tell the same story: of a god-like white man who travelled across the America's teaching and healing. At the time of his arrival legend has it that there was a great city situated where the Missouri and the Mississippi run to the Southern sea. One morning it is said that the Prophet came there in a long boat, used by the traders. "The streets," the old legends say, "were covered with flowers strewn in homage on the path before Him as He walked toward the Temple."

All of which is reminiscent Christ's entry into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday, the week before he was crucified, when adoring crowds spread palm leaves before his approaching steps. The Native stories continue:

"Greatly beloved now was the Pale God, known as the Lord of the Wind and the Water. His every move bespoke his kindness: His very touch revealed His Divinity; and before Him all the people bowed down. Through the rows of worshippers He moved …in quiet solemnity, holding up His hand in blessing – that hand with the strange palm marking, for through it was engraved the True Cross which He had taken as His Symbol".

He stayed for some time, say the legends: "though often he rode away with the merchants, or more often walked to distant villages, holding in His hand His great staff, and stopping to speak with all the people, from the aged to the little children."

Of course you may object that these are only stories, the legends and tales of a simple and unsophisticated people. And of course you are right, but it doesn't end there because these stories have been partly substantiated by artefacts found within or in the vicinity of mounds built by the ancestors of modern Native Americans.

The so-called Mound Builders flourished in North America between 200 B.C. and 500 AD. Little is known about them except that they built earthen mounds, often in the shape of birds and animals. With the arrival of settlers from Europe many of these mounds were levelled to make way for new farmland. In the process the mounds and their contents were scattered or ploughed under; then in the early 19th century strange relics were unearthed as new roads were built and forests cleared, and this occurred largely around Michigan, Illinois and Minnesota, areas of much previous mound building.

Amongst the relics recovered have been engraved depictions of the crucifixion and other biblical motifs. Yet despite the fact that many of these discoveries were accompanied by sworn affidavits and written testimony the archaeological authorities of the day largely dismissed them as "fakes." A response that continues to this day.

We honestly don't know whether Christ was physically located in the Americas or simply made an appearance, so to speak, spiritually and thereby inspired the stories, artefacts and inscriptions. Or indeed whether they were inspired by the tales of long forgotten Christian missionaries. Certainly Rudolph Steiner spoke of initiates and mystics around the planet being aware of the events in Palestine at the time of the crucifixion. So this proposition is certainly a possibility but whatever the real explanation it offers a fascinating alternative view of history and Christianity itself.

What's more, as individuals, we may soon be able to explore this possibility for ourselves. According to various tribes, before his departure, the East Star Man said that one day he would return, not in body but in spirit. At this time, he said, the world would be a dark place where evil would reign, however, the pure in heart would perceive his return. In other words what he is said to have told Native Americans is exactly what modern Christians would understand as the "second coming." So if you can lift your head up from the feeding trough of consumer society, or the conveyor belt called work, you may just notice something in the air.

Sources include: www.wolflodge.org, Rule By Secrecy by Jim Marrs, publ: Harper Collins. The Hiram Key by C. Knight and R. Lomas, publ: Barnes and Noble Books, New York. He walked the Americas, Taylor Hansen, publ: Legend Press, Amherst, Wisconsin. The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Gibbon. Ancient American magazine no. 26 & 33.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=139

He Walked The Americas, by L. Taylor Hansen, Amherst Press, 1963.
MEXICO

The Coming Of The Visions – page 122

In the days of Ancient Tula, many men were retained by the monarch to make life merry and full of nonsense in the courtyards of the Emperor. These were the men too short of stature, or hunchbacks not fit for the army. They were trained from childhood as clowns and funsters, in all the devious ways of humor. When these men came before the Prophet, He saw the tears behind their laughter and He stretched forth His hand and healed them so they were men like any other. Now no longer strange or crude of feature, they would never leave the Healer. They became His constant shadows, following Him in all His travels.
It was not long before these men realized that some great burden weighted upon their Master. Some strange, unspoken secret haunted His lonely footsteps and followed Him along the parkways. Unable to lift His spirits with laughter, they conspired with one another to probe from Him the cause of His suffering. Therefore one day in the parkways, they gathered about Him and began asking questions.
"Why do you stare at yonder bushes? Is there something there which we see not?"
"Yea, my friends. I see an earthquake. It is a very violent earthquake. Rocks are falling from the mountains. Our beautiful buildings of Tula are crumbling. My friends – I see the end of Tollan."
The clowns stared wide-eyed at the Prophet.
"Why do you not then tell the people?"
"It is far in the future, and they could not stop it."
"Are you certain they could not stop it?"
"Yea. Some of this is retribution. Perhaps I have been remiss in my teaching…"
"Nay, Oh Master, none could be greater."
"Then I must pray for the reason."
"When you learn of the reason, Oh Kate-Zahl, will you not then tell the people?"
"Yea. Then I shall tell the people. In the meantime, I ask that you do not tell them."
"May we ask you this: these burdensome visions, tell us how long you have had them?"
"For some time now, and they grow upon me. I can even read the dates of the cycles. Would that I could know its meaning."
"You know then the time of the earthquake?"
"Yea, it is true, I know it."
"This date – will you tell this to the people?"
"Yea. On the day when I leave Tula."
The clowns stared with eyes which were unbelieving.
"You are planning to forsake Tollan?"
"Nay, not all of the Empire. I shall make my way to Fair Co-lu-la, and from thence I must teach all of the wild tribes through many distant mountains, and someday I shall leave Fair Tollan."
"You will grieve to the soul the Toltecs, and they will never understand your leaving."
"Yea, they will see why I go teaching. I must be about My Father's Business."
"Then we shall follow you, Great Kate-Zahl."
The clowns were right about the Prophet's announcement that soon He was about to leave Tula. Strange tales were spread throughout the Empire. It was never fully understood by the Toltecs why the Prophet should wish to leave Tula – not even after He had told them about the Visions in the speech of His departure. Of course He had often gone to the wild tribes, and on other trips through the mountains, yet He had always come back to the city. Now when He said that He was leaving forever, there was great lamentation.
Some whispered that He had been given some chocolate, or other drink that was enchanted, and which gave the imbiber a crazy desire to wander far beyond the distant horizon, because it was certain, the Toltecs argued, that no man in his right mind would forsake Tula, the Golden.
Only the clowns and the priesthood suspected the real truth, and why His shoulders always drooped with sorrow. There was one more time when the clowns pressed Him, when once again they were alone in the Parkways.
"Do you still intend to tell the people?"
"Yea. In my final oration."
"Then where will you go, Master?"
"I go up into the snows of Popo, known to all men as the Smoker."
"But the ice of his hair is eternal whiteness."
"I know. But I must go alone to My Father. I must look beyond the Third Cycle."
"Then we shall follow after, Master."
"Nay. I must forbid you to follow."
Then boldly one of the funsters spoke up:
"It is beyond your power to forbid us. Whither you go, we shall follow."
"I pray that you do not go with me."
"We shall see, Beloved Master," the clowns said, smiling at one another like children who shared some mischievous secret. "We shall see when you leave Tula."





MEXICO

The Prophecy Of Tula – page 125

Some shimmering bits of His last oration with its strange revelations of the Future has come down to us from that bitter evening when Kate-Zahl bid farewell to His weeping Toltecs.
Usually He spoke at dawn, but this time it was almost twilight and the weather seemed to fit the mood of the moment. Many were the tears mingling with the rain-drops, many were the shoulders drooping when at the sound of the conch-shell trumpet, Kate-Zahl climbed for the last time the Hill of Loud Outcrying.
He began by naming His successor, the new Quetzal-Coatl, one of the most saintly from His disciples. This had been known, for the ritual of ordination, of laying on of hands and of the Crown of Quetzal Feathers had been going on for days, and evenings.
Then at last, He began speaking. He told them of His deep-felt sadness, for even as He was loved here, so did He love Tula. Here the happiest hours of His lifetime had been spent with His beloved Toltecs, but a strange burden had been laid upon Him, and He could not endure its dark foreboding.
He began to speak of the Visions. They were not of the Present, but of the Future. Even Tula was becoming a nightmare.
The Toltecs gasped in consternation.
"How could Tula be a nightmare?"
He began His explanation
Though He lived in the Present, yet did the Future press in around Him. This was His real reason for leaving Tula, not the silly ones given by tongues which were wagging.
These strange visions were growing upon Him. Even stronger were they among the wild tribes, driving down the reason for what He was seeing. They had to do with the Sacrificers. Ever these visions were growing upon Him. Ever more clearly could He see the distance, even to the dates. Now His vision was sweeping the Third Cycle; long after the fall of Tula.
The Toltecs gasped in horror.
"Nay, not by war as you are thinking. This city's end shall come with an earthquake, many generations distant. Restless drums within the mountains are the dancing Sacrificers. The Prophet Kate-Zahl is but a memory. Forgotten is Teo-Wahcan.
"Let this be a sign unto you. Closely watch Popo, the Smoker. When he seems restless, forsake your Tula, but take your books and all your learning. Have caves ready deep within the jungles. There leave them for the future ages.
"As I speak now from the Mountain and look into the Plaza of the Immortals, I see a different Golden City. The people have drifted from the One God, and strange revelries are held in Tula. Kate-Zahl is but a name in history. Then shall come the retribution.
"With flames the mountains begin to speak! This peak where I am standing, known to men as Tza-tzi-tepec, Hill of Loud Outcrying, shall explode in fire. Then no man shall see it forever after.
"With horrible growling shall the land be shaken, furiously as the wolf does shake the rabbit. By day the light of the sun shall be darkened, and by night a new volcano shall cover the sky with comets of red fire. Down shall tumble all the temples and the walls of the houses become as rubble. Thus shall end this proud city and with it the power of Mighty Tollan.
"When the stag has fallen, the wolf pack is brave. Now shall come the Sacrificers, marching to power throughout the Broad Land. Armies shall come to Tula for plunder, but the jewels are there for the taking. Thus begins another cycle, called the Cycle of the Sacrificers.
"For awhile this was the end of Visions, but then I saw another cycle. Tonight we shall walk there together. Remember to tell your children so that they in turn may warn their offspring.
"Down from the North come men brandishing axes and taking war dogs into battle. They are the first wave of many invasions, and they are known as Chichimecas, from the warlike dogs who go with them to battle. They are met by the restless Serpent, the Takers of Men, the Sacrificers. Long have I tried to teach these children, but they now turn their heads away from my precepts. They make war, but for the captives, as it has been from time forgotten.
"Horror shall come to the Broad Land. All shall dwell in fear of that black-robed priesthood, who kill their captives to feed their idols. Daily My Father's Law is broken. Hourly do the great stones drip with fresh blood because they think these rocks should be nourished.
"Watching this Cycle of Sacrificing is a heavy burden to my soul. Poor, pitiful misled people. Listen carefully that you may tell them my words after Kate-Zahl is but a memory.
"There is a cycle beyond this one, if they do not heed this warning. Before that cycle comes upon them, there is a man pale of feature and like unto me – bearded. Trust him not. He is not Kate-Zahl. He leads the Sacrificers into battle. He calls himself Huit-zil-po-chitli: the Bearded One Who Conquers. He shall later meet with a great warrior, and shall himself become a sacrifice to the Idol of the Tiger.
"Now the Sacrificers march to power. Go, my people, to the Jungles. Hide your treasures in the deep caves, especially the ancient histories. Most books have gone into hiding as the cycle spirals in horror, except those spared by the bloody priesthood. Learning has been conquered by the Law of the Jungle. But each day speeds the Retribution!
"Mark you well, for there shall be portents. A strange star shall cross the heavens, and all the people looking upward, as the time grows ever closer, shall remember tonight and the words of Kate-Zahl. To one another, they shall whisper: 'I fear the time has come upon us. Woe unto the Sacrificers.'
"The year is that of Te-Tec-Patl. When the dawn star, Cit-lal-pol, sometimes called Tlauiscal-Pan-Ticutli, crosses the sun for its thirteenth crossing, after the Fall of Tula, then will you know this Cycle is ended!
"That you may remember what I am saying, I have caused to be carved a giant dark boulder, highly polished and marked forever with the Dawn Star's Future Cycles. This rock has been placed in the Temple.
"Massive is the rock, and well-calculated to survive the time of earthquake and pillage far into the Time of the Future. Upon the top is the thirteenth-Acatl. Remember this date! It is the Time of Warning. With the binding date comes the retribution.*(See notes on Calendar Stone. Refer to book page 243.)
"Stand with me in the Year of Te-Tec-Patl. Look across the Sunrise Ocean. Three ships come like great birds flying. They land. Out come men in metal garments, carrying rods which speak with thunder and kill at a distance. These men are bearded and pale of feature.
"They come ashore and I see them kneeling. Above them I see a Great Cross standing. That is well. If these men are true to the symbol they carry, you need have no fear of them, for no one who is true to that symbol will ever carry it into battle.
"Therefore hold aloft your Great Cross, and go forth to meet them. They cannot fail to know that symbol, and would not fire their rods upon it, nor upon these who stand in its shadow. Well they know that what is done to my people is done also unto me."
"The Prophet hesitated a moment, and then He continued more softly:
"When the years have come to their full binding, the metal tipped boots of the strangers will be heard in all the bloody temples. Then throughout the Broad Land has begun the Third Cycle. As yet, I cannot see beyond it.
"This is why I am leaving Tula. There is much work to be done among the wild tribes to turn heavy-handed destiny from them. I leave you then the most fundamental Law of My Father for your guiding life pattern: Always love one another."
"For this night, Kate-Zahl has spoken."

From the Song of Quetzal-Coatl, Bancroft; and Sedillio.




MEXICO

The Calendar Stone – page 131

There is a mighty carved rock which is hanging in the National Museum of Mexico City. It was cut from porphyry, a volcanic stone which takes a high polish. This boulder is eleven feet across, three feet thick, and even in its present state of mutilation, it weights twenty-four tons.
For many years after its discovery in the Eighteenth Century it was thought to be Aztec and was called the Aztec Calendar Stone. Now scientists who have studied the calendars of Mexico realize that it is far beyond the comprehension of the Aztecs, and so it is moving backward in time to the age of Tula and the Toltec Empire. The Aztecs had but a fifty-two year ritualistic calendar which is but a degenerate copy of the Toltec masterpiece of astronomical observation. In more ways than that of the calendar did the Aztecs throw the learning of Mexican civilizations back a thousand years. The Aztecs were the first conquerors to burn the ancient books, and what survived the holocaust of the Aztecs were consumed by the Spanish.
The guides at the museum are pleased to point out to the tourist the transits of the planets, the precession of the equinoxes and other marvels of learning locked up on the ancient Calendar Stone, which places it ahead of the European knowledge of its day by a millennium.
The enormous Rock of Sacrifice, now being called the Rock of the Gladiators, is also calendrical, but perhaps more ancient and less understood than the Toltec Calendar Stone. That it was used for the purpose of human sacrifice by the Aztecs is unmistakable, but if one looks closely, it can be seen that the channel to carry off the blood of the victim was chiseled through the beautiful ancient carving. The marks about the base were made by the axes of the Spanish conquerors, who finally gave up when it broke their instruments and buried the ancient monument deep in the mud.
Once the Toltec Calendar Stone was also thought to have been buried by the Spanish. However, the Indians now tell a far more comprehensive story which is gaining precedence, as more and more full-blooded Indians in Mexico take their doctorates in various branches of archaeology and anthropology.
The Toltec Calendar Stone, having been taken from ravaged Tula first by the Chichimecas and then in turn by the Aztecs, was placed in the Aztec temple in Tenoch-titlan (Mexico City) so that the carved face stood outward where the people could see it. If they had fully understood what they were doing, they might not have done so. As it was, the people watched with ever-increasing apprehension the approach of the Time of Warning, which was the uppermost glyph, apparently a large aloe like the maguey plant (the sacred plant of the Aztecs), and about it as well as the container which held it were thirteen circles representing stars.
As the time approached, near panic took place in all the land, so the Emperor, Mocte-zoma, had a new, smaller calendar stone made without a date of warning, and buried the original deeply under the mud of the streets. Thus he thought to banish the threat to his throne and empire predicted so long before. It becomes increasingly evident that if the Aztecs had understood this calendar and its predictions, they would not have placed it in their main temple in the first place.
Nevertheless, the people had not forgotten the Toltec Calendar Stone, and when the first two centuries of the Conquest had passed, the Calendar Stone was again dug up and returned to its present place of honor in the National Museum where it covers most of the great blank wall facing the entrance, so that it is the first sight to greet the visitor.
There is another idea expressed by Leon Y. Gama who saw the "Dark Rock" when it was first uncovered. Noting that the circle of carving does not exactly correspond to the square, he theorized that there was another "cycle" or companion piece. Probably this was the earlier "First Cycle" or the time following the Conquest, which would include the present? Were there more cycles than these?
Bancroft, writing about a century after Gama, notes that no systematic search for ancient monuments such as these two mentioned, i.e. the Toltec Calendar Stone and the Altar of the Gladiators has ever been made. Furthermore, some sculptured blocks of the greatest scientific value have actually been seen while excavating for large buildings, but they have again been covered up and allowed to remain undisturbed under the pavements and public parks of a great modern metropolis.
Incidentally, speaking of the Toltec Calendar Stone, Cortez arrived in the year Te-Tec-Patl as prophesied so long before in Tula by the Prophet. *(Refer to page 133 for the symbol.)





The Calendars – page 243.

It is to be noted that the Prophet Kate-Zahl used the Venus Calendar for His computations. This is true in almost all tribal computing of any length in all the Americas, although often in the wild tribes the meaning of the numbers is either secret or has been lost. For example, Venus is spoken of as the Double-star (dawn star part of the year and evening star during the rest), but the number given in all cases is thirteen.
In Mayan computations, there are four inter-revolving calendars: 1) The sun-year of 365 ¼ days which is the same as ours; 2) the moon-year which is the revolutions of the moon about our parent body for the space of a year; 3) the tropical year which is the swing of the sun between Capricorn and Cancer; 4) the Venus Calendar. For this reason, we have found it relatively easy to read the dates of the historical stones or steles, but since we cannot as yet decipher Mayan writing, we have no idea what happened on those dates.
The Venus Calendar is an excellent tool for computation. Venus, circling the sun on an inside orbit, makes thirteen revolutions to eight of the earth. Therefore in eight thirteens the two planets are back in the starting position. This is called the Full Cycle (104 years). Most American nations used the Half-Cycle of fifty-two years. There was also a Grand-Cycle of over three thousand years. When however both Full and Half cycles were ceremoniously tied, if the name was not specified, there could be confusion as to which was meant.
If this is the stone which Kate-Zahl ordered fashioned by his artisans, then as one enters the Museum down by the Zocalo, and looks along the passageway, the giant Calendar stone takes up almost the entire wall and dominates all the visitor's perspective.
It is interesting also to speculate upon the other giant block of basalt, the Altar of Sacrifices. It is exquisitely carved and polished. The present writer saw this masterpiece in the company of Dr. A. Espejo and two other Mexican archaeologists. "We know today that this is not Aztec. See the crude hatchet marks which cut through the carving to make the 'blood channel'? No, this too is Toltec. The Aztecs merely used it for their own purposes. Its true meaning is as lost to us today as it was to the Aztecs."
"But those other scars along some of the baseline?"
"Those were made by Spanish axes which it broke and shattered until they gave up trying to smash it. This too we inherit from the Toltec Empire."

elisium wrote:

i can assure you that if we met you wouldnt leave walking. ( i warn you that boxers are very easy to deal with, real easy!)

What are you trying to say? You wanna get down and dirty? You'll be leaving with your boxers over your heads you dirty little wh**!@ ..but you aint never gonna get me on the ground!

I like pink and blue cotton candy mixed together, you know the good, fluffly kind that comes on a stick that you get at the fair. I don't like the kind they sell in stores in bags. It's always hard and crusty-like. Does anybody else like cotton candy?

.....Just trying to lighten the mood

@Fremen Bryan: By "advanced civilizations," I was referring to those that believed that there were highly technological civilizations on the North American continent hundreds or thousands of years before European contact. Given the total dearth of iron artifacts and iron working infrastructure, it's fairly clear that no such civilization existed.

I might address the specific claims you copy/pasted in this thread, but it'd be way off-topic.


@Tearz:

are you saying that you want to fuck? so how do you want this to go down? should i can pretend to be god and you can pretend to be jesus and i can pummel your cunt mercilously. let me know how you prefer it. im just not sure that i could pee in your anus like you were asking in pm. i know that you are a bit on the monoloid/weird side and all but thats alittle to much.



lol im not sure anyone likes it anymore.



correct what freman bryan copied was way off topic. you need to stick to the topic at hand or change it all together which he was not but jessica did a good job of trying to do. copying and pasting does not make you seem smart.

Cotton candy doesn't do it for me, not since I was a kid (too many cavities) ..


Why not let Bryan post whatever its a chat thread . .


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Dirty little boy. . ease up with the vulgarities . .in your world, hookers hook up with wh*r*s and knock it every day of the week .. well, not in mine . .I'm not interested in you or your sick sad pathetic little world and you would not understand mine. .

..but my future husband will be a happy man that I did not affiliate or associate with dirty little perverts like you, and what we do is none of your business anyway. Good Day


(I'm still praying for you)

See what I mean about hating by proxy? How passive aggressive can you get?

Be funny. Be intelligent. Or be gone.

thats sweet! his is a chat thread for anythin but why copy and paste shit? also i feel sad for any person you come in contact with. with you spewing your shit all over. can i recomend something for you?

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The Natives of the Americas all tell of a far more ancient (than themselves) civilization that was technologically advanced and in contact with Star-gods.

If you want to adress a single point, how about WHERE did the Toltecs get the Calander Stone, if they were not "technologically" advanced?/! People today could never make such a Calander without the use of computers, so how did people thousands of years ago do it, hmmmm?

Perhaps people were more advanced way back then than they are now.

What Toltecs? There's no archaeological evidence that conclusively defines a Toltec civilization as separate from the other civilizations in the region.

If you're referring to the Aztec or Mayan calendar systems, I disagree that they're beyond the capacity for a human to create on their own. First, both civilizations were capable of significant engineering feats and had complete mathematical systems. Second, there is evidence that there were multiple "prototype" calendars adopted and subsequently rejected by the Mezoamerican religious elite (who maintained the calendars as a way of securing their power base) as new, more accurate, calendars were developed.

If there were highly advanced civilizations--similarly or more advanced than our own--why did they not dominate the world as the European cultural model has? Where are the artifacts of these advanced civilizations?

You are hateful disgusting vulgar dirty pathetic and pitiful people I am embarrassed to be seen on this website or anywhere near you or speaking to you online or anywhere else, go away and leave me alone you are nothing more than maggots that inhabit the scum of the earth, dispicable vermon. . you need prayer but I'll tell you, I feel sorry for you, you are disgusting and you are really the scum of mankind, go eat garbage in a gutter somewhere or maybe God can help you. I'm done here, yuck. *spit cough cough spit* yuck.

You are a nasty sick disgusting little pervert of a man . . LISTEN UP YOU DEMENTED LITTLE WHO*RE STAY AWAY FROM ME KEEP YOUR DIRTY MOUTH AND YOUR DIRTY MIND OUT OF MY EMAIL AND ONLINE ACCOUNTS KEEP YOUR GARBAGE OFF MY THREADS AND KEEP YOUR COMMENTS OUT OF MY LIFE STAY AWAY FROM ME UNLESS YOU WANT A RESTRAINING ORDER OR AN ARREST WARRANT OR MY ATTACK DOGS OR MY BOYFRIEND HAS A GUN AND KNIVES SICK PSYCHO PERVERTED KEEP YOUR PERVERTED NASTY LITTLE COMMENTS AND SEXUAL FANTASIES TO YOURSELF IN JEST OR OTHERWISE YOU SICK O sad pathetic weird demented scum the cat dragged in .. .


This "chat" is over, you are a freak, stay away from me and my account, I will not be back here. You are the scum of the earth.. Yuck. How can anyone be so disgusting? You people around him are as dispicable and disgusting as this person is, you are all cesspool gutter scum. You are Garbage Pail Kids.

Tearz wrote: LISTEN UP YOU DEMENTED LITTLE WHO*RE STAY AWAY FROM ME KEEP YOUR DIRTY MOUTH AND YOUR DIRTY MIND OUT OF MY EMAIL AND ONLINE ACCOUNTS KEEP YOUR GARBAGE OFF MY THREADS AND KEEP YOUR COMMENTS OUT OF MY LIFE STAY AWAY FROM ME UNLESS YOU WANT A RESTRAINING ORDER OR AN ARREST WARRANT OR MY ATTACK DOGS OR MY BOYFRIEND HAS A GUN AND KNIVES SICK PSYCHO PERVERTED KEEP YOUR PERVERTED NASTY LITTLE COMMENTS AND SEXUAL FANTASIES TO YOURSELF IN JEST OR OTHERWISE YOU SICK O sad pathetic weird demented scum the cat dragged in .. .

This is a threat no matter how you look at it, and a such a threat could land you in heaps of trouble. Just because it's on a stupid forum doesn't mean $h!t...

After reading your above comment, I'd have to say your the one from the shallow, stagnant end of the gene pool, Tearz. Just though I'd put my 2 cents in
<3, Jessica

No honey, you have it all wrong .. self-defense laws state in my state that you can defend yourself and your property and if someone trespasses you can defend yourself and your property by any means necessary. I know of soemone who shot someone dead in their house and they are free because it was self defense-not prosecuted. It was not a threat, I meant that my guy will defend me if necessary. I am not participating in this thread any longer, this is over. Don't twist my words you foolish twit. Get a life, fool. Now back off and do not talk to me because I am not speaking to any of you, to speak to you is beneath my own personal dignity. Stay away from me you nasty wenches. The end.

Are you really leaving for good, or are you just telling us this? Let me know so I can throw a party. I'll almost miss your nonsense.

Wait for it.... wait for it....... .... nope. No tears for tearz.

do you want help so that you wont come back?

Wow, so tearz's gone? Nice.

yes now we can all go back to out lives. its funny how mad people get over a few make believe words being said.