Why So F-ing Harsh On Zack?, sheesh Options

[You are not a sl...]

your whole point sucks yanas
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I know, but I was bored...

[Dataika]

If Zack hates the uper class so much, why does he act like apart of it? If Moore hates the uper class so much, why does he cruise around in limos? If y'all hate Capitalism so much, why are you using computers/cars/fast food joints/houses/the internet/...anything?

Are you trying to claim that computers/cars/fast food joings/ houses and the internet wouldn't BE HERE if it wasn't for capitalism? I'd have to hear some honest to God evidence to back it up.

While it is true that they are here as a result of capitalistic economics it does not follow that it would not be here in the absence of it. Say I step on an ant. The ant dies. Does this mean if I did not step on it, it would not have died? Of course not.

In any event, we do some of the things you mentioned above, because it is a necessity (house, food, maybe even cars) and the rest (computers, internet, etc...) If we didn't use anything capitalism has given us, we would be running around naked and starving. Capitalists used houses, muskets, etc... to fight their way to freedom. All of which were made in the era before them, AKA, the Feudalist society. And the Feudalist society used the weapons before them, probably the nomadic tribes, therefore feudalists are all eglitarian tribesmen, and are now actually, COMMUNISTIC! So your conclusion would be that all people are communist.

I mean really, your line of logic is simply SILLY. To advance, you must use the tools available now in order to do it.

[Broken_Man]

everyone is entitled to their own opinion, this does not exclude their opinion about zach. tho we personally won't agree with that first statement, there's not much we can do abut it, so argueing about it is pointless.

[Intrepid_one]

I will order fake pizza and taxis all night to the house of the next person to spell Zack Z.A.C.H.

[KAIF]

Zach, Zak, Zaq, was somkin Crach, Crak, Craq, he fell on his Bach, Bak, Baq, now he's Wach`d, Wak`d, Waq`d, only speaks Quach, Quak, Quaq, now he's vactioning in Irach, Rak, Raq...

sry, now send that pizza, my ass is hungry. I'll need the cab around 9`ish, I wanna go to the bar.

[Intrepid_one]

i don't think you need anymore drinks dude. Maybe just take some Valium and call it a night.

[3vili$i0u$]

If Zack hates the uper class so much, why does he act like apart of it? If Moore hates the uper class so much, why does he cruise around in limos? If y'all hate Capitalism so much, why are you using computers/cars/fast food joints/houses/the internet/...anything?

Are you trying to claim that computers/cars/fast food joings/ houses and the internet wouldn't BE HERE if it wasn't for capitalism? I'd have to hear some honest to God evidence to back it up.

While it is true that they are here as a result of capitalistic economics it does not follow that it would not be here in the absence of it. Say I step on an ant. The ant dies. Does this mean if I did not step on it, it would not have died? Of course not.

In any event, we do some of the things you mentioned above, because it is a necessity (house, food, maybe even cars) and the rest (computers, internet, etc...) If we didn't use anything capitalism has given us, we would be running around naked and starving. Capitalists used houses, muskets, etc... to fight their way to freedom. All of which were made in the era before them, AKA, the Feudalist society. And the Feudalist society used the weapons before them, probably the nomadic tribes, therefore feudalists are all eglitarian tribesmen, and are now actually, COMMUNISTIC! So your conclusion would be that all people are communist.

I mean really, your line of logic is simply SILLY. To advance, you must use the tools available now in order to do it.
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very well said we live in capitilastic society his logic would suggest that we all stay hungry and die from lack of housing food and what not. would that prove anything?

sry, now send that pizza, my ass is hungry. I'll need the cab around 9`ish, I wanna go to the bar. 
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damn straight now send some of that pizza my way hehehehe

This post has been edited by 3vili$i0u$: Sep 21 2004, 03:31 PM

[You are not a sl...]

If Zack hates the uper class so much, why does he act like apart of it? If Moore hates the uper class so much, why does he cruise around in limos? If y'all hate Capitalism so much, why are you using computers/cars/fast food joints/houses/the internet/...anything?

Are you trying to claim that computers/cars/fast food joings/ houses and the internet wouldn't BE HERE if it wasn't for capitalism? I'd have to hear some honest to God evidence to back it up.

While it is true that they are here as a result of capitalistic economics it does not follow that it would not be here in the absence of it. Say I step on an ant. The ant dies. Does this mean if I did not step on it, it would not have died? Of course not.

You're right. But it's still here because of capitalism, there's nothing to argue against that.

In any event, we do some of the things you mentioned above, because it is a necessity (house, food, maybe even cars) and the rest (computers, internet, etc...)  If we didn't use anything capitalism has given us, we would be running around naked and starving.  Capitalists used houses, muskets, etc... to fight their way to freedom.  All of which were made in the era before them, AKA, the Feudalist society.  And the Feudalist society used the weapons before them, probably the nomadic tribes, therefore feudalists are all eglitarian tribesmen, and are now actually, COMMUNISTIC!  So your conclusion would be that all people are communist.

I mean really, your line of logic is simply SILLY.  To advance, you must use the tools available now in order to do it.
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[You are not a sl...]

very well said we live in capitilastic  society his logic would suggest that we all stay hungry and die from lack of housing food and what not. would that prove anything?
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You'd die just like communism did.

[jetpack]

Most communistic societies weren't actually using communism, they ended up using a differant form of goverment.

[Dataika]

You're right. But it's still here because of capitalism, there's nothing to argue against that.

Indeed but you were attempting to criticize Zack for using the weapons that this society has given them and using them to attack the social foundations of this society. It has been done by every single revolution in the past, he is not hindering anything, nor is that a worthwhile criticism.

As for the image: wow, what a great argument. Please go get an education.

[3vili$i0u$]

[quote=cosmic,Sep 14 2004, 05:21 PM]
[quote=You are not a slave.,Sep 13 2004, 11:14 PM]What's cute is your balls are so small on this issue that you have to use petty degridating insults to prove your heros are not frauds.

If Zack hates the uper class so much, why does he act like apart of it? If Moore hates the uper class so much, why does he cruise around in limos? If y'all hate Capitalism so much, why are you using computers/cars/fast food joints/houses/the internet/...anything?


Tag-a-long! 

Oh please, don't hurrt my feelings anymore Mr. Big guy! Oh gee, I might cry. 
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Haha. Ironically, it's you that has him as a hero because YOU think he should live like Ghandi. He's not, he's a regular guy. Upper class? How does he show that? Oooooh, because he drives a BMW, ok. And you are ignorant enought to think the stereotype of "BMW" is true. Oh, and being in limos is a sign of royalty, i see. High school students, brides, and even the pope rides in limos. Smart one! Stop spewing your stereotypes and wake up. I don't hate capitalism, when have I EVER said that? computers, cars, houses? What are you talking about?


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[quote=3vili$i0u$,Sep 21 2004, 11:31 PM]very well said we live in capitilastic  society his logic would suggest that we all stay hungry and die from lack of housing food and what not. would that prove anything?
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You'd die just like communism did.
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Communism is dead?
ever been to Cuba?
China?

guess not


anyway back on topic

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And where are you, Tom, Tim, and Brad? You bravely stood up for the dispossessed of the Third World, but in the current political climate, we are dispossessed in our own country. The erosion of our rights and liberties makes captives of us all. Do you no longer care? Did the machine defeat you?
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Audioslave?
Protests all over the states?

this guy is full of shit.


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I've long since lost any respect for "anti-capitalist" millionaire rock stars.

I want my rock starts to be on herion. I want them to sing about chicks, drugs and themselves. I don't want a "message."

That being said, I like Rage Against The Machine. It's got a good beat. It's easy to dance to. And I can't understand a word they're screaming anyway, so I don't care what the lyrics are.

In the spirit of the band, I PIRATE all their music that I care to listen to.

-mickey
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need i say more? Fuckwit

[3vili$i0u$]

Why didnt that work?

[RAGEist]

Why didnt that work?
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You gotta use (quote) to start a quote tag and (/quote) to end one, you cant use (/quote) for everything. (replace () with [], I just didn't want it to open a quote tag on its own)

[Rotten Berry]

I think that lots of people have poor opinions of Zack...and other bands that are political in ways that society as a whole doesn't like--SOAD, etc. People hammered on the Dixie Chicks, FFS.

I just think it's funny because no one goes running around saying Toby Keith should shut up or anything. Blergh.

People are going to have their opinions--and sometimes that is ALL they have.