Rage= Communists?, In an article.. Options

[SOULonICE]

[B]IF COSMIC WOULD WRITE A BOOK, NO MATTER WHAT IT WAS ABOUT I WOULD READ IT. I'VE READ THAT LAST POST ON THIS TOPIC LIKE 8 TIMES ALREADY. IT'S FLUID. COSMIC THAT'S YOUR HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT; WRITE A BOOK.

[Banksy]

You can't really group people into a political thinking there is no right or wrong side they just see what they think is wrong and try to make the problem public so others as well as themselves can do as much as they can to help the people. they've done more for people in issuses than you will ever do. I also see you like system of a dowm well tom morello is a good friend of serj they do a radio show with each other called axis of justice radio network which HELPS poeple there doing smoething good fro the world. www.axisofjustice.org go on if you want. you can personaly email him ytourself see what he has to say.

[amalie]

firstly rage arent communist i havent heard one song saying there communists. The fact that they have certain views on the world and politics desnt automatically make them a commmunist understand. Just because some has certain books also doesnt make them a dam communist books on che guevara or revolution doesnt make them a communist to be honest even che wasent a communist Castro is and was a communist but che just wanted better treatment and lifestyle for the people fo cuba so just because of what someone reads or sings or writes or god dam preaches doesnt make them a communsit i have never come across rage calling themselves communist and i thikn you should think about what you say cause its totally rediculous.

[Dataika]

[mute]

[Owen]

rage against the machine communists?
4 questions....
yeah?
and?
so?
what?

[cosmic]

^ yea, if it was definately so, but they arent.

[amalie]

che was not a communist he fought for what he believed in and fought for a better country that he lived after he saw what a state it had got to. Just because he was helping a communist goverment gain power didnt mean he was, i am not ignoring history im just telling it how i see it if che had been a communist and wanted to become part of a communist nation then why did he go to bolivia to help normal people fight. These are just my views!

[Dataika]

[devoid]

The underlying argument here is that communism is undesirable. While I admit that communism has been rather detrimental to the people of these so-called “socialist” states, I must point out that Marx’s doctrines of a Utopian, classless society were fundamentally different from Lenin’s or Mao’s interpretation. The failures of these socialist regimes could be blamed on the lack of specific instructions from Marx on how these governments were to function. He made no attempt to forecast the actual institutions or the working of the coming classless society—he regarded such attempts as necessarily vain exercise of Utopian speculation. His concern was with the struggle to arrive at the new society, not with the use to which men would put their emancipation when they had achieved it. When, after the revolution of 1917, the Bolsheviks set to work to build up the institutions of the new Russia on Marxian foundations, Marx’s Capital furnished them with hardly any indications of what they should do, beyond the general imperative that they should proceed as rapidly as possible to socialize the means of production and to order their use under the direction of a comprehensive plan. How to do these things they were left to find out for themselves by painful experience, which included in many respects finding out first how not to do them and involved them in furious controversies over such questions as the right pace of industrialization, the treatment of the peasants, and the scope to be allowed for a shorter or a longer time for continued private trading under the new economic policy. On none of these issues could they get any clear guidance from Marx’s writings: Lenin, and after him Stalin, were left to devise their own interpretations with the aid of no more than a few broad hints from some of Marx’s more occasional writings, such as his Critique of the Gotha Programme, which was invoked to justify the maintenance of highly unequal rewards for unequal services after unearned incomes from property had been virtually abolished.

Yet, in retrospect, one could say that the Bolsheviks were doomed to failure from the beginning: Marx had stated explicitly in his writings that Revolutionary Proletarian Socialism (Communism) can only be successfully implemented in a highly-developed capitalistic society. Lenin, however, believed that capitalism as a stage on the road towards the coming epoch of socialized production and classless social relations could be shortened, if not skipped altogether. Thus did he doom millions to the misery and suffering that followed the downfall of the Romanov monarchy. Stalin after him was no more than a despotic megalomaniac, power-hungry and a totalitarian in all senses of the word. Mao based his theories on Marxist-Leninism, though was less pure ideologically than Lenin. He simply took power and established an authoritarian state, claiming to be socialist. All of these leaders implemented a one-party state that deteriorated into tyrannical, repressive regimes as they became senile and paranoid. Socialism, as stated by Marx, is supposed to be a democratic system that serves the people of the working class, not a dictatorial establishment that suppresses the masses. One cannot assume that communism is “evil” simply because of these cases of past failures, just as one cannot assume that democracy is evil because of Bush.

[Dataika]

[JBandit]

In the song "People of the sun", RATM was singing about the zapatista revolution to overthrow their current government and setup a democracy...yes...a DEMOCRACY. People really neeed to listen to more than one song to rant about something.

[Dataika]

[Renegades]

A government is just people ruling over people - and communism allows these top dogs to control everything without question - in most democracys around the world it's a lot harder to do this...

[Erik]

In the song "People of the sun", RATM was singing about the zapatista revolution to overthrow their current government and setup a democracy...yes...a DEMOCRACY. People really neeed to listen to more than one song to rant about something.

And what makes you think Communism doesn't involve a democracy? Put aside what capitalists and Leninists tell you Communism is.
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I myself am a marxist. I was a party-militant for a long time but I left the party because of two reasons:

1. Communism wants democracy. The power shouldn't be seized by a (communist/socialist) party, or the elite of that party, but a class; the working class.

2. I'm still a young man but I'm not stupid. In Holland young people do not join political partys, especially working class youth. Though they might not have a lot of money; they have a great streetculture. This streetculture hides the germ in capitali$m wich we will call socialism in the future.

What i'm trying to say is that 'Marxist', 'Leninist' or whatever are all just words.
RATM wants to give a message to anyone who fights for justice & equality.

Words are midgets, deeds are giants!