Zack And Violence Options

[Salva Veritate]

QUOTE Rennegades - Rollin' Down Rodeo'The poor people in the ghetto must direct their anger toward the class which causes their misery. This is most easily done by rolling down Rodeo Drive with a shotgun in hand. The lower classes only kill themselves by destroying eachother and their neighbourhoods.'

The above is a explenation of the RATM track 'down rodeo,' by rennegades.

'Now I'm rollin down Rodeo with a shotgun...' - that lyric is quite obviously is saying to me that zack is fed up, and this may very well be his ideal on shakin up the upper class groups that live in sheltered Rodeo Drive.

Not all but I'm sure that many of these upper class people probably are decendants of other rich white families who used slave labour once. (reference - 'Ain't seen a brown skin man since their grandaddy bought one.' A lot of people in the upper class (not all), to my observations are generally very conservative and they hold discriminative views on race and class.

On a subtle tangent, I actually work part time as a chippy. And we install bi-fold doors using hardware and hinges manufactured in indonesia. They use cheap labour probably well below a justified rate. Well a big-shot rep came into our distributor and we complained about a faulty hinge where the hinge pin and plate was incorrectly assembled. The Rep's reply was - "It's those bloody indonesians not paying any attention to what they are doing. Maybe if we payd em more than 3 bucks a day, theyd do a decent job." then the schmuck lost it laughing. Man that pushed my buttons and I really wanted to pop him in his jaw like daffy duck when his bill gets smacked around his head. But I just took a deep breathe, looked him seriously in the eyes and kept my cool. What a dick hey.

Sorry for going off on a tangent then but I guess I was trying to develop some kind of relationship between upper class and their discrimination towards race/lower class.

I'm not too sure if the track is to promote violence against the upper class, but it obviously directs a lot of anger towards the upper class.

Good shake em up! Put em in their place. If someone was doing it. RATM was.

#1) Rennegades' interpretation isn't the definitive one; it's only one viewpoint. I wish people would stop quoting that series of posts and start interpreting for themselves.

#2) Holy god, I live in the poorest corner of a rich white area (I believe my family is in the 2% of the school district that makes under average yearly $$$), and I have to deal with this all the time from goddamn closed-minded bubble children who show no interest outside of school, drinking, weed, clothes, and the latest episode of Lost. If they're not mocking my support of the EZLN (I often hear several variations of "What should I care if the Mexican government is enslaving Mexicans?" and "Communism is bad, you fucking Communist."), then they're mocking everyone who isn't a fucking bubble child. I hear opinions ranging from "If inner city kids wanted to get a good education, then their parents should have worked harder," to "I had to walk through a black neighborhood, it was the scariest thing in my life!" (referring to a specific lower middle class black neighborhood) to jokes in the vein of the one you wrote about.

[duby]

Rebel, rebel and yell
'Cause our people still dwell in hell
Locked in a cell
Mad is the story I tell
How long can we wait
Come on, seein'what's at stake
Action for reaction
If your mind's in a somewhat complacent state
Get a check-up
This is a stick-up
Our freedom or our life
I wish I could be peaceful
But there can be no sequel

What opinions do you guys and girls have in relation to what zacks saying. This may have been covered once before, but pls give us some insight.
It sounds like zack's saying when it comes to the fight for justice of ones freedom, we are best to fight on our feet, rather than die on our knees like cowards.
Is this a reference to the EZLN, and their fight to the freedoms which they had once fought hard for but have since been raped from the indigenous peoples of Mexico.

[guerillaphantom]

basically, he is not for violence. what zack is trying to say is that there is no other way out in this system... the so-called democratic states reveal their true form - a machinery for the ruling bourgeois class in order for them to further exploit the masses of the world. he is saying that the battle against the bourgeois class is never going to be peaceful... they will do everything they can to stop the world movement for social justice and equality and therefore would only lead us to one path - the path to revolution... the final battle for liberation of the oppressed around the world....

[Salva Veritate]

Rebel, rebel and yell
'Cause our people still dwell in hell
Locked in a cell
Mad is the story I tell
How long can we wait
Come on, seein'what's at stake
Action for reaction
If your mind's in a somewhat complacent state
Get a check-up
This is a stick-up
Our freedom or our life
I wish I could be peaceful
But there can be no sequel

What opinions do you guys and girls have in relation to what zacks saying. This may have been covered once before, but pls give us some insight.
It sounds like zack's saying when it comes to the fight for justice of ones freedom, we are best to fight on our feet, rather than die on our knees like cowards.
Is this a reference to the EZLN, and their fight to the freedoms which they had once fought hard for but have since been raped from the indigenous peoples of Mexico.

Well, the whole song is about apartheid in South Africa. (remember, this album was released in 1992 and apartheid officially ended in 1994. (really puts things in perspective, doesn't it? especially for younger people like myself) The 'sequel' here probably refers to the 'never again' mantra we hear over and over on every human rights injustice, ever. As for the use of 'peaceful', Zack probably equates, or equated peacefulness with quietude. Of course, no one wants to be quiet in the face of tremendous injustices such as apartheid. The opposite quiet, of course, is loud, and that lines up with "Rebel, rebel and yell".

Just look at the context before you make a decision here.

[Shifty]

could somebody explain to me this part of Down Rodeo:
"A ballots dead so bullets what I get
A thousand years you had the tools
We should be taken ’em
Fuck tha g ride I want the machines that are
Makin’ em
Our target straight wit a room full of armed
Pawn to
Off tha kings out tha west side at dawn"

Thanks.

[duby]

Yo SHifty,

I was only just thinking about those lyrics just the other day.

In particular these lyrics:

"Fuck tha g ride I want the machines that are
Makin’ em"
What's the G ride? I looked it up once before and honestly can't remember the lyrical interpretation of the whole 'G RIDE' thing.

My views on the lyrics, "A ballots dead so bullets what I get."
It seems to me that that's it is saying when the people can no longer have true democratic choice on the ballot, because the the powers to be have already manipulated full controll of the system and the decision making process. Then maybe it's time to take up arms and revolt. That sounds to me like a pretty darn obvious representation of the lyrical meaning. Please correct me if someone has some other idea.

[Salva Veritate]

I'm pretty sure "G ride" means the ghetto thug lifestyle many are forced to live, fighting each other instead of together against the "machines".

[duby]

^ Yeah that would make a lot of sense. Thanks for the insight Salva Veritate.

[Shifty]

"A ballots dead so bullets what I get."

read this

http://www.historicaldocuments.com/Balloto...letMalcolmX.htm

[duby]

Weird... Yo shifty that link won't fully open for me. It's to the site. Begins to load. Then it aborts.

[Evil Empire]

Weird... Yo shifty that link won't fully open for me. It's to the site. Begins to load. Then it aborts.

Same with me. Thought it was my computer for a sec..

[Shifty]

try this
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/m...lotorbullet.htm

[THE UPSETTER]

Yo SHifty,

I was only just thinking about those lyrics just the other day.

In particular these lyrics:

"Fuck tha g ride I want the machines that are
Makin’ em"
What's the G ride? I looked it up once before and honestly can't remember the lyrical interpretation of the whole 'G RIDE' thing.

My views on the lyrics, "A ballots dead so bullets what I get."
It seems to me that that's it is saying when the people can no longer have true democratic choice on the ballot, because the the powers to be have already manipulated full controll of the system and the decision making process. Then maybe it's time to take up arms and revolt. That sounds to me like a pretty darn obvious representation of the lyrical meaning. Please correct me if someone has some other idea.

A G ride is a *gangta ride* or car, lowrider, etc.

Fuck the petty, material shit. We want control of the companies to be in the hands of people...etc

As for violence(right to kill), basically, all in self-defense.

If people are violent towards you, be violent back; act! If someone is gonna kill you, you better kill first!

[duby]

Hey when zack sang Down Rodeo at Coachella. He simulated his grip on a shotgun and took aim into the crowd.

It looks to me as though he's saying, "I'm (zack is) rolling down rodeo with a shotgun..."


JUST A THOUGHT!

I got no problem with zack's lyrics been direct and brutally honest. He pics his targets, (the enemy) and takes aim. It's nothing but an outlet of angst towards the oppressor(s).

[Shifty]

What do you think about these lines:
"Reach for tha lessons tha masked pass o­n
seize tha metropolis
It's you that it's built on"