Alex Jones, ... is he on to something? Options

[Onthefrontline]

I think that Alex Jones is really good at making viable arguments for things that are taboo in US society. He is bad mouthed by 5th grader tactics on Youtube but thats youtube. he is attacked immaturely by Bill O Riley-like people and thats that. What do you think? can you argue substantially against his cases? What if not -- if he has a point then what are we waiting for?

[Onthefrontline]

Ok if none of you even care about Alex Jones in this political forum ill just give you this article and if you care more maybe you can tell me what it is that you care about. that would be sweet.

National Security Agency: Giving Out U.S. Names

Newsweek | May 2, 2005 issue
By Mark Hosenball

The National Security Agency is not supposed to target Americans; when a U.S. citizen's name comes up in an NSA "intercept," the agency routinely minimizes dissemination of the info by masking the name before it distributes the report to other U.S. agencies.

But it's now clear the agency disseminates thousands of U.S. names. U.N. ambassador nominee John Bolton told a Senate confirmation hearing he had requested that U.S. names be unmasked from NSA intercepts on a handful of occasions; the State Department said he had made 10 such requests since 2001, and that the department as a whole had made 400 similar requests over the same period. But evidence is emerging that NSA regularly supplies uncensored intercepts, including named Americans, to other agencies far more often than even many top intel officials knew.

According to information obtained by NEWSWEEK, since January 2004 NSA received—and fulfilled—between 3,000 and 3, 500 requests from other agencies to supply the names of U.S. citizens and officials (and citizens of other countries that help NSA eavesdrop around the world, including Britain, Canada and Australia) that initially were deleted from raw intercept reports.

Sources say the number of names disclosed by NSA to other agencies during this period is more than 10,000. About one third of such disclosures were made to officials at the policymaking level; most of the rest were disclosed to other intel agencies and, perhaps surprisingly, only a small proportion to law-enforcement agencies. Civil libertarians expressed dismay at the numbers.

An official familiar with NSA procedures insisted the agency maintains careful logs of all requests for U.S. names and doles out such info only after agency officials are satisfied "that the requester needs the information [and that it's] necessary to understand the foreign intelligence or assess its importance."

please go here and watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auR4RumZEnQ

[dragnik]

i would like one topic to be considered, probably not of big importance for you
this could be how us national agency acts toward foreign citisens in countries under us influence

arrests are not the only way of pressing
there are: wiring, financial pressure, watching

it is made by local police, but in accordance with agency's request which finances that

This post has been edited by dragnik: Mar 11 2007, 02:31 PM

[Stagger Lee]

I think that Alex Jones is really good at making viable arguments for things that are taboo in US society. He is bad mouthed by 5th grader tactics on Youtube but thats youtube. he is attacked immaturely by Bill O Riley-like people and thats that. What do you think? can you argue substantially against his cases? What if not -- if he has a point then what are we waiting for?

I have been listening to AJ for approximately three years. I was a skeptic at first, but researched what he was saying - he is legitimate. I would recommend subscribing to his free daily podcast at www.infowars.com. Just install iTunes and you can listen to his show at your convenience and fast foward through the commercials. I'm actually quite surprised Zack is still on the fence regarding 9/11 Truth. The evidence is overwhelming. There is nothing more important as they are using it to justify everything else that is destroying this country from the inside from the loss of our civil liberties, the eroding of Due Process, to these illegal foreign invasions and occupations.

If you simply cannot believe 9/11 was an Inside Job I dare you to watch this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8797525979024486145

[THE UPSETTER]

I saw that vid; a good one. How do you know Zack is on the fence? Maybe he and the guys are layin low until more people come around, 'cause right now, we all just get thrown in the "crazy conspiracy theorist" pile. A lot has happened in 7 years and Rage is just gettin warmed up again. Their music has always been about the things Alex Jones is about. I can't jump aboard yet with all his ideas but, he seems pretty right on. Zack's speech was geared toward-or should I say-"way beyond" just administrations and elections...

By the way, who do you think is the "good friend of ours" Zack mentioned. Could it be Noam?

Check out:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6...13&q=9%2F11
An Interesting Day: President Bush's Movements and Actions on 9/11
The Great Conspiracy
Improbable Collapse

The Revolution is coming...


This post has been edited by THE UPSETTER: May 2 2007, 08:15 PM

[insurrection]

Uhm...it'd help if you explained who this guy is for people who don't know

[THE UPSETTER]

Uhm...it'd help if you explained who this guy is for people who don't know

Which guy? Alex Jones? Check out infowars.com...

[insurrection]

Uhm...it'd help if you explained who this guy is for people who don't know

Which guy? Alex Jones? Check out infowars.com...

Aaaah...yeah it's been a while...as soon as I read the "infowars.com" part it rang a bell =p
Well as far as that goes...let's say I take the opinion of someone like Noam Chomsky or Howard Zinn or Barbara Ehrenreich (I could go on...) more seriously than his. The fact is he doesn't really have any credentials which makes him easy to discredit (and makes even lefties like me doubt him). Maybe I ought not to dismiss him so carelessly....

[redstar INC.]

Uhm...it'd help if you explained who this guy is for people who don't know

Which guy? Alex Jones? Check out infowars.com...

Aaaah...yeah it's been a while...as soon as I read the "infowars.com" part it rang a bell =p
Well as far as that goes...let's say I take the opinion of someone like Noam Chomsky or Howard Zinn or Barbara Ehrenreich (I could go on...) more seriously than his. The fact is he doesn't really have any credentials which makes him easy to discredit (and makes even lefties like me doubt him). Maybe I ought not to dismiss him so carelessly....

Yeah. Jones have been a little bit angry with Chomsky the last few years, because Chomsky hasn't taken a clear stand on the whole 9/11 thing. Chomsky have been asked about the questions regarding 9/11, but Chomsky said that the whole 9/11 thing takes the focus away from the real problems of US politics. Barrie Zwicker and Jones want people like Chomsky, Michael Moore and Amy Goodman to join the movement because of their positions as Left-gate keepers. Btw Moore questioned the Pentagon plain crash some time ago. The comment by Moore in the movie "Terrorstorm" is a bit dissapointing though...

[THE UPSETTER]

Uhm...it'd help if you explained who this guy is for people who don't know

Which guy? Alex Jones? Check out infowars.com...

Aaaah...yeah it's been a while...as soon as I read the "infowars.com" part it rang a bell =p
Well as far as that goes...let's say I take the opinion of someone like Noam Chomsky or Howard Zinn or Barbara Ehrenreich (I could go on...) more seriously than his. The fact is he doesn't really have any credentials which makes him easy to discredit (and makes even lefties like me doubt him). Maybe I ought not to dismiss him so carelessly....

Yeah. Jones have been a little bit angry with Chomsky the last few years, because Chomsky hasn't taken a clear stand on the whole 9/11 thing. Chomsky have been asked about the questions regarding 9/11, but Chomsky said that the whole 9/11 thing takes the focus away from the real problems of US politics. Barrie Zwicker and Jones want people like Chomsky, Michael Moore and Amy Goodman to join the movement because of their positions as Left-gate keepers. Btw Moore questioned the Pentagon plain crash some time ago. The comment by Moore in the movie "Terrorstorm" is a bit dissapointing though...

Very interesting. Do you have any references or links to these interviews? I was wondering what their opinions were of each others viewpoints.

I think 9/11 is an extremely critical event in world history. It demends an extensive, unprecedented investigation and necessitates an equal response. How quickly Osama bin Laden was out of the headlines...

What if there really were bombs planted in the three buidings and that they were planted by AL Qaeda. Wouldn't we want to know how they did that!?

Why were tapes confiscated that would have showed the Pentagon...I should stop now. I can go on all night...

[redstar INC.]

Uhm...it'd help if you explained who this guy is for people who don't know

Which guy? Alex Jones? Check out infowars.com...

Aaaah...yeah it's been a while...as soon as I read the "infowars.com" part it rang a bell =p
Well as far as that goes...let's say I take the opinion of someone like Noam Chomsky or Howard Zinn or Barbara Ehrenreich (I could go on...) more seriously than his. The fact is he doesn't really have any credentials which makes him easy to discredit (and makes even lefties like me doubt him). Maybe I ought not to dismiss him so carelessly....

Yeah. Jones have been a little bit angry with Chomsky the last few years, because Chomsky hasn't taken a clear stand on the whole 9/11 thing. Chomsky have been asked about the questions regarding 9/11, but Chomsky said that the whole 9/11 thing takes the focus away from the real problems of US politics. Barrie Zwicker and Jones want people like Chomsky, Michael Moore and Amy Goodman to join the movement because of their positions as Left-gate keepers. Btw Moore questioned the Pentagon plain crash some time ago. The comment by Moore in the movie "Terrorstorm" is a bit dissapointing though...

Very interesting. Do you have any references or links to these interviews? I was wondering what their opinions were of each others viewpoints.

I think 9/11 is an extremely critical event in world history. It demends an extensive, unprecedented investigation and necessitates an equal response. How quickly Osama bin Laden was out of the headlines...

What if there really were bombs planted in the three buidings and that they were planted by AL Qaeda. Wouldn't we want to know how they did that!?

Why were tapes confiscated that would have showed the Pentagon...I should stop now. I can go on all night...

Well, I have the videos of Chomsky answering questions regarding 9/11. Have in mind that these interviews are probably a couple of years old, so for all we know Chomsky has changed his opinion on 9/11.

Part I: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzGd0t8v-d4

Part II: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoDqDvbgeXM

There is also a video of Barrie Zwicker. A canadian journalist who is very much one of the leading figures on the 9/11 subject. He's been interviewing Chomsky many times and was a huge fan of Chomsky up to the point of 9/11. There are also videos of Barrie Zwicker expressing his dissapointness towards Chomsky and Amy Goodman.


Here is the 9/11 meeting in Toronto with Barrie Zwicker talking about the movement and having a discussion with the people in the movement about the left gate keepers (Chomsky, Goodman etc):

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7...=barrie+zwicker


Barrie Zwicker interviewing Chomsky PART 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRddxZIAhdU

PART 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzf9AuViGk0

Barrie Zwicker and Amy Goodman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAI8IROKiC4


If you want any good academic research on the 9/11 issue watch:

Barrie Zwicker - The Great Conspiracy - The Media cover up of 9/11: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6...=barrie+zwicker

Professor David R. Griffin - 9/11: The Myth and the Reality: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2...ay+Griffin+myth

9/11 & American Empire - Intellectuals Speak Out - University of Berkeley, CA: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=31...q=911+speak+out


Enjoy and make up your own mind.

[freedom_mumia]

Haha... I didn't know anyone on here knew who Alex Jones is... I used to get all into that stuff a couple years ago, but have been out of the loop for a while.