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 Jun 22 2005, 01:06 PM
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 loveable nemesis  Group: Activist Posts: 3,623 Joined: 17-December 03 From: New York City Member No.: 1,381  |
QUOTE(yabasta @ Jun 22 2005, 04:48 PM) But by taking it down a fantasy route it is disinformation. Part of a bigger campaign to make people sound like kooks if they suggest the dollar bill`s imagery has a meaning that is not so straight forward. [right][snapback]179481[/snapback][/right] Or it was just a movie. The only way you think of it as propaganda, is if you take it as fact. Watch the movie before you label it hardline propaganda; It struck me as just an enjoyable, family friendly adventure film. Don't judge it by it's cover. -------------------- This is the FiFTY-FOUR effect: (the loveable nemesis)
QUOTE(Grimer 54) Society begets government. Anarchist theory is actually just a pseudo-intellectual state of denial, an idealistic illusion that can never be more than a wholly unfulfilled dream. Thus, it is a counter-productive measure that actually weakens, rather than improves the progress of society as government is inevitable in the maintenance of civilization. Therefore, it is infinitely more effective to pursue political upheaval through the system, rather then against the system. For despite all of its flaws, both Democracy and Capitalism are still rooted within the people themselves by rational and realistic means. That is not to say I advocate the status quo, but instead, a moral pursuit to right the endless wrongs brought on by the evils of human nature, via an unintimidated, undaunted, unmitigated spirit of liberty and justice for all, rather then the destructive hypocrisy of your so-called "revolution." "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend, to the death, your right to say it". - attributed to Voltaire Still a sheltered idealist... but learning: This is no Oasis. |
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Jun 22 2005, 01:15 PM
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 Crazy Group: Activist Posts: 2,124 Joined: 10-December 03 From: Land of the Dead Member No.: 1,317 |
There is no conspiracy book club it is just a matter of having a good logic really. JFK was murdered right?
If you do any small ammount of reading up on the CIA and the ATF and the ONI and all those other 3 lettered organisations you see the most evil devious acts often against the general public. This is the power structure. The computer that runs the "machine". You should know about the machine if you frequent this website. Anyway sure you can say that the torch alone has other meanings. You can say the torch is just a torch(to be honest the torch being one of the symbols had not occurred to me). The illuminati/freemasons etc are into symbols and those symbols mean somethign to them. Because their influence has been so strong for so long they are common and popular. The eye the pyramid etc are all used a great deal in every aspect of life from money to monuments. So now you see a buildign shaped like a torch and think nothing of it. You think ooh air traffic control or statue of liberty. -------------------- "The more sensitive you are, the more likely you are to be brutalised, develop scabs and never evolve. Never allow yourself to feel anything because you always feel too much." - Marlon Brando
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Jun 22 2005, 01:28 PM
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Crazy Group: Activist Posts: 2,124 Joined: 10-December 03 From: Land of the Dead Member No.: 1,317 |
QUOTE(Grimer 54 @ Jun 22 2005, 09:06 PM) QUOTE(yabasta @ Jun 22 2005, 04:48 PM) But by taking it down a fantasy route it is disinformation. Part of a bigger campaign to make people sound like kooks if they suggest the dollar bill`s imagery has a meaning that is not so straight forward. [right][snapback]179481[/snapback][/right] Or it was just a movie. The only way you think of it as propaganda, is if you take it as fact. Watch the movie before you label it hardline propaganda; It struck me as just an enjoyable, family friendly adventure film. Don't judge it by it's cover. [right][snapback]179491[/snapback][/right] That i am afraid shows your naivety. Propoganda films don`t have to be up front or "real" . They work on a different level. National Treasure could have been made by people with no real care for the "truth" or the "lie" but the fact remains that they are entertainment which is designed to sell and to condition. Just as ordinary people are made special by these films their message can be seen as special too. There is a reason the U.S. military refuses to help some war films and bends over backwards and forwards for others. -------------------- "The more sensitive you are, the more likely you are to be brutalised, develop scabs and never evolve. Never allow yourself to feel anything because you always feel too much." - Marlon Brando
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Jun 23 2005, 08:07 AM
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 Urban Guerrilla Group: Activist Posts: 428 Joined: 24-February 04 From: Kokomo, IN Member No.: 1,727 |
I was researching Illuminati and the like, combing through old Masonic symbols check what I found.
 Check the ribbon on the left, you see a hammer, chisel and a spade. Hammer and chisel possiblly symbolize the work of masonry, the spade agriculture possibly?Now look at this  Notice the square is paired up with the hammer instead of the compass. To me this highly resembles the hammer & sickle symbol. You see for yourself. 
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Jun 23 2005, 08:34 AM
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soul rebel Group: Activist Posts: 3,037 Joined: 31-December 04 Member No.: 3,077 |
symbolism is the language of the illuminati because its the language of the subconscious and its a subliminal techinique....
as a symbol it can be interpreted indeed many ways, so people don't look deep enough into history...for example statue of liberty that was given to usa from french freemasons and is virtual mirror of the statue of liberty on an island on the river Seine in paris. its historical 'twin....lookalike....queen semiramis, who was also worshipped as venus columba...venus the dove. the illuminati use reverse symbolism. they place their symbols all around us, but present them with the reverse of their true meaning. the dove symbolises peace to most people, while to illuminati it represents their goddess, queen semiramis. the lighted torch means freedom and liberty to population, to illuminati its the symbol of their agenda and control. the nazis reversed the ancient symbol of the swastica to symbolise the negative and satanists have reversed the pentagram for the same reason. when they burried kennedy at arlington cenmetery they placed the lighterd torch, the illuminati eternal flame on his grave, as did the scotish rite of freemasons placed obelisk of the torch in dallas. the spot where people leave their tributes to princess diana, there is another representation of the flame, its located where she died. or shall we confuse this with film thread? This post has been edited by Lostphoenix: Jun 23 2005, 08:36 AM -------------------- Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence.
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Jun 23 2005, 09:36 AM
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 Activist Group: Activist Posts: 102 Joined: 23-November 04 From: Houston, Tx Member No.: 2,981 |
Ya'll should read Angels & Demons by Dan Brown. It's fictional but with factual historic background. It delves into the Illuminati. He also wrote the DaVinci Code.
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Superior and another inferior Is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned Everywhere is war, me say war That until there is no longer first class And second class citizens of any nation Until the colour of a man's skin Is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes Me say war |
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Jun 23 2005, 09:46 AM
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soul rebel Group: Activist Posts: 3,037 Joined: 31-December 04 Member No.: 3,077 |
yeah, ha ha, i did, it was a good read.....(untill it gets to hollywood and the main character is played by tom hanks
 this proffesor turned james bond (always a girl with him),taken to completely unsexy level!  i guess its better researched then national treasure.... but the writer' (he's christian and has a dress sence of the proffesor he describes, wonder if he bases it on himself...lol) is uninformed when it comes to anarchy which he mentions once or something, which is not as bad as in digital fortress where's he's just politically uneducated and talks bullshit about it and is like so kiss ass to the flag it makes me sick. i have another book by him, but after the digital fortress i skipped to reading about Boudica.well, but we've had film club and now book club..... which media is left? This post has been edited by Lostphoenix: Jun 23 2005, 09:48 AM -------------------- Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence.
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Jun 26 2005, 12:21 PM
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loveable nemesis Group: Activist Posts: 3,623 Joined: 17-December 03 From: New York City Member No.: 1,381 |
QUOTE(yabasta @ Jun 22 2005, 05:28 PM) QUOTE(Grimer 54 @ Jun 22 2005, 09:06 PM) QUOTE(yabasta @ Jun 22 2005, 04:48 PM) But by taking it down a fantasy route it is disinformation. Part of a bigger campaign to make people sound like kooks if they suggest the dollar bill`s imagery has a meaning that is not so straight forward. [right][snapback]179481[/snapback][/right] Or it was just a movie. The only way you think of it as propaganda, is if you take it as fact. Watch the movie before you label it hardline propaganda; It struck me as just an enjoyable, family friendly adventure film. Don't judge it by it's cover. [right][snapback]179491[/snapback][/right] That i am afraid shows your naivety. Propoganda films don`t have to be up front or "real" . They work on a different level. National Treasure could have been made by people with no real care for the "truth" or the "lie" but the fact remains that they are entertainment which is designed to sell and to condition. Just as ordinary people are made special by these films their message can be seen as special too. There is a reason the U.S. military refuses to help some war films and bends over backwards and forwards for others. [right][snapback]179499[/snapback][/right] Have you seen the movie? I have. It didn't strike me as propaganda. I'm not making blanket statements, I'm speaking specifics. You haven't seen it, so you're basing your argument on... what exactly? I'm not saying that all propaganda is blatant, I'm just saying, that I didn't think this movie was really playing politics... at all. And I'm saying that, because I've seen it. -------------------- This is the FiFTY-FOUR effect: (the loveable nemesis)
QUOTE(Grimer 54) Society begets government. Anarchist theory is actually just a pseudo-intellectual state of denial, an idealistic illusion that can never be more than a wholly unfulfilled dream. Thus, it is a counter-productive measure that actually weakens, rather than improves the progress of society as government is inevitable in the maintenance of civilization. Therefore, it is infinitely more effective to pursue political upheaval through the system, rather then against the system. For despite all of its flaws, both Democracy and Capitalism are still rooted within the people themselves by rational and realistic means. That is not to say I advocate the status quo, but instead, a moral pursuit to right the endless wrongs brought on by the evils of human nature, via an unintimidated, undaunted, unmitigated spirit of liberty and justice for all, rather then the destructive hypocrisy of your so-called "revolution." "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend, to the death, your right to say it". - attributed to Voltaire Still a sheltered idealist... but learning: This is no Oasis. |
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